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No doubt they should change the name of the series from Formula one to Formula Gay!!
There has to be drivers who have driven in the past just shaking their heads at the new driver caliber. Hell I recall Senna driving in the rain on slicks with a 10 cylinder motor and no TC.
coultard really needs to quite F1 and open a daycare center in scotland
What's the context?Quote:
Originally Posted by fousto
Is there a link to a recent quote from him spewing more oral diahhria?
It wouldn't surprise me.
I assume he's referring to this http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64505Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
yes - sorry I forgot the link- Can you believe this **** fangio didn't even have a roll bar
They do seem strange comments, especially bringing up Zanardi's accident - which happened on an oval, in the dry (obviously), and therefore in much faster conditions than an F1 car would be going in the wet.
Perhaps DC's sorting out his retirement plans and wants to follow his fellow Scot Dario into a NASCAR? That way he won't have to race in the wet, and if it does start raining at least he'll have a roof over his head...
How much power did the cars have when they last drove without TC?Quote:
Originally Posted by inimitablestoo
Bet it was more than they have now.
I do think they are being a bit namby pamby on this.
Everyone seems to be on Max's side here .
The only good point on the list for DC that I see is his reference to the spray , but that has nothing to do with the TC . It has everything to do with the aeros of the cars .
Gosh , the electronics couldn't clean up even Fernando's issues in the wet . How the hell are they gonna deal with DC's ?
Call up the IT boys . They've got some work to do .
I can't believe these idiots either , Cowboy .
Stick to your guns here , Max . We're all behind you on this .
:dozey: Hhmmm.. Mad Max seems totally unconcerned with the 2008 changes...
causing any "Safety Issues" when driving in the rain.
In fact he sez... "It's dangerous in the sense that you're likely to go off... but you're less likely to hurt yourself because the speeds will be slower".
Hhmmm... I wonder just... How Much Slower.... the drivers have to go in order to insure they.... "Don't hurt themselves".
:p : Yep, you gotta... Luv Max's consistantcy in playing the Safety Card... only when it suits his interests.
Personally, IMO... racing by nature is a Dangerous Sport. The driver should be willing to accept the risks when he is willing to accept the paycheck.
Older drivers seem to be less willing to take risks... compared to the youngsters... be it Formula 1, NA$CAR, or other major pro racing series.
If he doesn't like the challenge maybe he should quit...
DC needs to reasses his commitment to F1.
If you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen.
I do agree with Max on this! TC is out for all the drivers. Those who do not want to hurt themselves can play it safe, and those who want to seek some glory will keep us entertained!!! What else can you ask for?
You are not safe, because leo was sleeping out of the kitchen ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
"It probably won't change things much," he confirmed. "I'm happy that traction control will be banned next year. I feel comfortable about this."
-Jarno Trulli .(from Crash.net)
They're not all gay , Cowpoke !
Pino's man figures he'll be ok , but some will struggle .
Irv once said he doesn't think DC is gay but he should stop behaving like one. He was right.
The only concern I have about wet races is attrition. 16 cars or so were smashed in the first turn pileup at Spa in '98 and 3 or 4 cars made it to the checkered flag at Monaco in '96 but there were no injuries. I can't recall somebody get killed in the wet.
the other thing that would be of interest is the cornering speeds in the turbo era such a 1982 and also the straight line speeds from this era
if any one happens to have this data please let us look. I had heard the g forces in those years were very incredible.
For anyone here that has seen races such as the 1985 Portugese GP, where Senna dominated a race in torrential rain with a turbo engine which was not only peaky but also had massive amount of torque compared to the current generation of 2.4 litre V8 engine making planting the power all the more difficult the comments from the current crop seem to be ludicrous. Factor in 1980's wet weather tyre technology and you really have to wonder what they are complaining about. As for visibility, it has always been a massive issue in wet weather races, it's hardly new, infact you could argue that the current cars with thier narrower tyres are better off than the cars of the 80s where the tyres were very wide by comparison, the amount of water being displaced from the track into the air being proportionately more as a result. These drivers are highly paid professionals and a factor of thier high pay is the risk involved, obviously no one wants to see drivers injured but if driving an F1 car was risk free and easy then there would be no justification for the massive amounts that the best drivers can demand from teams.
In closing I would say shut up and drive, F1 is safer now than its ever been, the banning of driver aids only serves to differentiate the great drivers from the merely good ones, it doesnt adversely impact on safety.
I'm quite impressed we've got this far into the thread without responding to fousto's "Formula Gay" comment and mentioning rear-end shunts...oh balls :s
Oh Mr. Coulthard, how age has changed your view...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/1054887.stmQuote:
Originally Posted by David Coulthard Dec. 04/2000
Wow! Now I really don't want to get old.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSfan
Why? i dont see the drivers dressed in tight pink shirts and attending celine dion concerts....Quote:
Originally Posted by fousto
what an intelligent description :S
:dozey: Nothing unusual about Coulthard's change in attitude. Most drivers become a LOT more conserative as they grow older.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSfan
Racing really is a young man's game... they have the Balls to take risks. The older guys lobby for improved safety... when... in most instances... their goal is to reduce the risks to themselves if they make a mistake.
Kimi has a typically straightforward view of this:
- LINKQuote:
"The sport is dangerous anyway. It doesn't matter if you have traction control or not. If you think it is too dangerous you probably shouldn't be in the sport."
And who started the massive pile up? You guessed it - DC!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
Oh yeah! That's why! Now I recall DC crashing out of the lead in the wet at Nurburgring in '99. That was his last shot at the title that year and he blew it. No wonder he dislikes wet races.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
He also took the restart in the T car and stayed on the racing line causing MS to run into the back of him in the blinding rain! I wonder how much monetary damage he caused that one day? Maybe they should have found him negligent in his driving and fined him the cost of all the repairs! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
I think Michael managed that all by himself. He was just way ahead of the field, did not need to be going as fast as he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
Quite how you come to the conclusion that by staying on the racing line he (DC) was at fault.......
Exactly how much can you see in your mirrors with spray like that. :rolleyes:
DC has admitted that he was radioed to move off line but chose not to. (No, I can't find a link at the moment - anyone know of one?) DC isn't an angel!Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Fine, but the onus remains on the overtaker, not the overtakee to make a clean pass. And in adverse spray, if you cannot see clearly then err on the side of caution.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
That to me is common sense.......
Champcars race in the wet without traction control, and they have been the best races of the year, as were the F1 wet races this year. Don't see the problem with it........
Actually, DC didn't move over until a Ferrari man (Jean Todt from memory) walked over to the Mac people and asked them to get DC out of the way. DC then obeyed, lifted off and stayed on the inside of the upcoming corner which lead to Schumacher (who was on the racing line) plowing into him. Both drivers were at fault: DC for nearly stopping his car at the wrong side of the track, and Michael for being impatient and going into a cloud of spray much too fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
What is wrong with lifting off on the racing line if you have been told let someone pass?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson
If DC had pulled over, just as MS was trying a move, there still would have been a crash.
MS was WAY in the lead, and did not need to be impatient.
DC was adamant that he had no fault at first , calling Michael dangerous , and Michael took a lot of stick for the incident .Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
It took years for him to admit he was in the wrong .
DC lifted on , not off the racing line . Had MS not seen him at the last moment , and turned away , there would have been much more carnage than just a wheel torn off both cars .
You are defending an action that has been admitted as wrong .
Finally someone with balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
That is the crux of the issue, visibility was that bad that MS should have given DC (or at least a spray tail) a VERY wide birth, he just plunged into the unknown due to the spray, and could see nothing until he was on top of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
A bit like AS rear ending MB back in whenever.......
The "crux" was that DC had slowed .Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Had DC been at racing speed , MS would have followed him around the corner as normal with no issue .
DC lifted and stayed on the racing line , causing the surprise for MS . Rather than "plunging into the unknown" , he was racing in the rain .
DC feels he made a mistake . I agree , and I'm glad he cleared it up , even though it took a long time to do so .
I hope it doesn't take you much longer .
I am quite happy with the notion that, after his accident with Alonso at Nurbugring, Coulthard saw the similarities with the MS thing, and admitted it was just as much his fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
The point I am labouring here to make is that, if you are going to overtake someone, you don't or should not expect them to make it piss easy for you, you should move off the racing line to complete the pass, not the other way round?
As it was, DC was 'playing the team game' and trying to keep MS at bay, in his frustration MS forgot that he was not driving a wacky racers car that would go up on stilts so he could overtake without passing.
Now, IF it had been communicated to MS that DC was going to move over, then that is a different matter, I do not know what was said to either driver on the radios at the time.
Had DC agreed to move over, or slow down. What was MS told?
Does anyone know?
MS expected DC to have slowed off-line .
That is and was patently obvious .
That being so , and DC now apparently understanding so , shows that MS was acting as if DC was moving off-line to the left .
He was being lapped and so , keeping "MS at bay" was not an option .
Read the rules about how backmarkers have to behave when the clearly faster leaders catch up with them and than we shall talk!Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Yep, cause we aren't keen on waiting 5 years!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Radio communications do not make the rules in F1, DC didn't play by the rules then and there. Was it because he was ordered to interfere as much as possible with MS' race or because hes ego couldn't take the humiliation of being lapped during one of his "years"?!Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Makes no difference to the fact he made a huge mistake almost as big as when he crashed into the pit entry wall while trying to decide if he should go left or right! :rolleyes: