I know that i have to register and do the introductory course, but what do i do next?
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I know that i have to register and do the introductory course, but what do i do next?
Buy/Rent a car, find some sponsers and get at it.
Ok thanks but thats a bit obvious but how would i get hold of a navigator, whats a good cheap enough starter car and what would be a good race for beginners? Would you recommend the Ford Fiesta Sporting Trophy?
Do I look like your Ma?
1st lesson on rallying for you from Bazza, most people on forums are tossers
Find and join your local motor club, they will help you out
Second lesson from cut the bs, some people on rally forums don't know how to keep their hole shut.Quote:
Originally Posted by cut the b.s.
Very much so but will cost something like 50kQuote:
Originally Posted by Irish Joey
Are you in Ireland?
Best go to an event nearby and offer to marshal, join local club and chat to club members.
Make sure you have a good paying job. Best way is to get involved in local clubs. That way you spend more time with people that know lots about the sport. Also probably the best place to find a co-driver.
Nah but you sound like someone who doesnt know as much as he'd like people to think he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazza2541
So I've noticed. I think theres one or two not to far away I'l check them out. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by cut the b.s.
Yeah in Co. Louth. Would you know if theres any events that take place here? 50K... Ouch. Would definitly need some sponsers for that. Cheers for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
I do but unfortunetly have a few bills too. Im not in a rush anyhow. Thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miguel Sanchez
Joining a motor club & going to events (marshalling, servicing & co-driving) is definitely the best way to learn. The more varied your experience the better able you are to cope with the unexpected things that happen in motorsport - plus you'll meet loads of people with the same interest.
As you're in Louth the governing body for rallying is Motorsport Ireland (http://www.motorsportireland.com), but if you want to know what's happening just over the border then check the UK Motor Sports Association (http://www.msauk.org). They should be able to provide details of local motor clubs. If you haven't found it yet, Brian Patterson's site (http://www.rallynews.net) is pretty good for event reports & results.
If you were really interested, you'd already have it sussed.
Rallying is a fairly closed shop Bazza2541, it isn't like you have car clubs listed in the Yellow pages under Rally is it? Although I listed mine under sporting clubs, just ended up with heaps of junk mail :-(
If you are not already inside, finding out how to get involved wouldn't be easy.
Come to Mount Errigal Hotel in Letterkenny on first monday of the month at 7.30/8pm. Or approach ANY marshall at ANY rally. Or ANY competitor at ANY rally. Its not rocket science. If he was intrested he'd find a way. How did the rest of us do it? And as for it being a closed shop........balls!
Bazza, your club must be so proud to have an ambassador like you :p imp:
So how do you find out where this rally is taking place if you don't knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Bazza2541
a) where it is running
b) organising club
c) name of event
Just put RALLY into Google and assume that eventually after attending so many neo nazi marches one will involve cars?
Once you find an event, what stop the car mid stage, who are the marshals can you just go up to them as they set cars off.
Other than that, faultess post, keep it up.........
If you can't find a rally in Ireland you must be both blind and stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
Try rally.ie for a mind boggling list of events.
As for the marshalls, I think you'll find an abundance at every event. I hear rumours that they are on every single junction and at the start and end of every stage too. Contrary to popular belief they don't bite either.
Now granted competitors can be more difficult to find, especially if you are blind and stupid, but I talk to loads at the various service parks.
Its not rocket science.
Ahh so it's you that comes up and asks stupid questions when we have important things to do.
So how did you get started, as I know quite a few who didn't find it all that easy.
If you can't answer a few questions from Joe Public, perhaps you shouldn't be putting on the vest?
And I am sure I have never met you nor talked to you ever, so maybe you should stop insulting the people that go to spectate?
Please tell me these 'important' things that marshalls have to do that would prevent them talking to the ordinary people?
Well iv got my info pack and registration number for when i apply for the National B licence from Motorsport Ireland and NOW i know when the rallies are on and where they are. Theres none on locally so might try head up to Donegal next month. There does'nt seem to be any affiliated motor clubs in Louth either. Right that info was easily got (though had to pay E20 for it), but when theres no local rallies and you dont know anyone else who's into rallying or where to look its not easy.
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Originally Posted by Bazza2541
Sorry but what are you babbling on about?
Read what I said, I'm talking about being a competitor and having dopey speccies coming up to ask inane questions when we are about ready to go etc.
Spectators are mostly a pain in the butt, bring nothing to an event yet expect to be catered for. Only use they sometimes have is they may push you back onto the road when you come off.
When I asked how you got involved I assumed you were involved and not just a speccie, no wonder you didn't answer as you are not involved.
I have been marshalling for 21 years, mostly on local events, but have done Ulster and the Circuit on a few occasions. IMHO, rallying is there for spectators without them there would be no sport. But then again that is an Irish perspective, I would not be qualified to talk about your events as they are foreign to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
How's that then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazza2541
No spectators mean there is no benefit for sponsers. No sponsers mean no rallying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
Do you think there is a link between the attitudes of 'hollier than thou' pricks like yourself and the decline of the the BRC?
Sponsors, do you mean?
Do you really think the sponsors give a moments thought to a few bobble hatters stood mid stage?
Magazine, TV, web coverage is far more important to them.
Many events run a strict no spectator rule and they do fine.
For an event to run it needs organisers, then entries then marshals. I am glad to be all of those things as well as a holier than thou prick and not a spectator as they bring nothing to an event other than hassle and grief for the organisers.
The BRC is in decline because of poor management.
Don't spectate, marshal then you would be helping the sport.
Hey,
Kind of new to these forums and started rallying last month myself. Im only 19 but found the best bet was to go to a local event and network. I found the events are actually very social (well in England anyway) by the end of the event was a load of people including many marshalls and competitors gathered and having a chat around the beer stand.
Just a thought, a friend of mine got into driving by starting as a navigator. Found it was very useful because it ment he could do few laps himself during test laps etc.
Wouldnt get fixated on getting a sponsor either, it may never happen. From what I've heard the lower end events you probably wouldnt get sponsored for but you might want to try a local radio station, write a formal letter explaining everything and list what they will get out of it. Here in Salisbury the local station has agreed to sponsor me but in return have to arrange VIP passes to local events (which they use as prizes to local listeners) and that I have to attend the local motor show every year (which is good publicity since the sponsored cars tend to be in the local papers/news).
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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
I'd imagine that most marshals, competitors and mechanics get into the sport after watching it as a spectator. I have been spectating for many years and soon to start marshalling next year by getting involved with my local motor club (not that it's be much good as we don't have many events around Exeter :bigcry: ).
Also you must have noticed that although there are still quite a few spectators on these so called 'closed' events. And yes the sponsors do worry about spectators, maybe not in the bigger championships but certainly a lot of smaller teams have got to struggle because they don't get on TV.
While I agree that spectators like me can be a pain in the arse surely you'd have to be a t*** to complain about the decent folk out on the stages. Okay we don't have high vis vests but each one of us would be glad to help if a competitor was in trouble. Quit yer moaning :p : ;)
Interesting post, rallying must be very healthy in your area because in mine our national championship has no tv coverage save for when someone gets hurt, magazine coverage is ok but limited to overall and class winners, maybe 10/15% of the entry in any rally typically gets a mention or photo. Web coverage, a web site updated a few days after events, yet people still get sponsors, maybe the 'bobble hatters' are more important than you thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
I think I'll have to agree with your statement that 'I am glad to be all of those things as well as a holier than thou prick' although the rest of what you say IMO nonsense and you actually seem to be proud to display the attitude to fans that stopped me travelling each year to follow the RAC Rally/Rally GB
To become a driver I would first suggest that you do a few rallies as a navigator as A) it is less expensive and B) you will learn the areas where a driver must stop and get the time cards signed etc. Also I would agree that you should join your local club as it is there that you will find details of good navigators etc. As I am and have been a navigator for more than ten years I would suggest that you contact motorsport ireland for further details and ignore the advice given by the previous genious who seems to know nothing about rallying.
Do spectators not pay for entrance to the stages in your country?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
At least, every rally I've ever been to in NZ I've had to buy a ticket. Surely the money spectators provide helps the event.
No most events they just turn up and are a royal pain in the arse.
Due to drunken speccies Ireland could lose closed road events, it's happened before.
Don't know what events you go to but I seem to pay at pretty much everything. Even though Epynt is only about 5 quid per car there is still income there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
I assume you drive and obviously have never had to be pushed out of a ditch. SOME speccys are a pain in the arse but there are others of us that don't get in the way and will gladly lend a hand in helping competitors.
Last time we needed pushing out, the speccies who hadn't paid a penny didn't want to get their trainers dirty.
Car parking fees usually go to those who man the car parks like the local cadets etc.
By and large and yes there are exceptions but most cases speccies are just an annoyance.
I find that I have to wear gumboots when going rally spectating. I guess I'd stand out at European events if I wore them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
At the local rally I went to last month I didn't have to pay for parking, just parked on the side of the road a few metres from the stage, and then we paid for tickets separately. Of course, at the WRC event we have to pay for paddock parking sometimes, but even then we pay for that separately to entry fees for the stage.
I think charging for car parking is the safer option as I believe if you charge to watch the rally the organisers are more liable when one of these goon speccies get themself run over by standing in the wrong place or wandering about drunk in the road.
Surely you have to accept though that without spectators rallying wouldn't exist. Most marshalls, drivers, organisers, mechanics etc. etc. start by going to watch before starting to take part in some way.
I agree that there are morons out there that go to watch but at places like Epynt they are in the minority with most people being proper rally fans who know of the dangers.
I suppose if you do the more easily accesible rallies (Bournemouth in my area is one such event) there are far more of the 'inappropriate footwear) brigade. Me, I'll have my walking boots on.
As for drinking on events I've never done it but again not all people having a beer are numpties. Some Irish lads on the Wyedean were stood next to us but far from being d**kheads they were stood in a reasonable spot and even fixed a car's radiator and gave up their drinking water to fill it.
To be honest it's all on the slide at the minute, Colin McRae computer games and media coverage made it open to the masses, but there are some of us out there who have been raised around rallying and (I hope) hasve a bit of common sense.
At WRC or maybe even BRC level yes agreed, but at Nat B and Nat A levels it doesn't really matter.
Spectators r important at National level what are you goin on about :eek: