LH defends against FA -what's your call?

OK, the discussion is already out there.

What's your call?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUKXwCLP0WY



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Why a call?

Alonso gets good drive and tow out of the corner and Lewis moves to the right first to break it. Then he slowley moves back to the center of the track to ensure that if Fred wants to overtake, he goes around the outside.

Both drivers drive hard but fair and Lewis defends his position.

Now, the Lewis detractors will say he swerved, blocked, cut, chopped and tried to put FA into the wall, was overly arrogant, chucked some monkeys out of the cockpit and shagged him up the arse without even kissing him goodbye in the morning.

Good racing.

Hard racing, but totally fair - from both men. :up:

We moan like mad when there's no action, yet the minute to brilliant drivers get within a few yards of each other we start looking to apportion blame :rolleyes:

What is the world coming to?

Two drivers race for position.

It doesn't need any in-depth analysis.

;) Much Ado... about Nothing !!!

:D Good racecraft... nothing less/nothing more !!!

what's my call? hmm. lemme see..
i say hamilton wins this one. wanna raise the stakes?

my faith in this forum is restored :D

great racing! I'm a Alonso fan, but I sure didn't expect them to order Lewis to let FA pass under the curcumstances.

yes FA was faster at that point, but so? the team was going to finish 1-2. the team wouldn't be helped by FA getting around LH.

Good racing me thinks.

Has Alonso given any explanation for his swerve way to the right? He doesn't need to go that far for clean air. Looks like he's doing it to get the attention of the pits.

Good, fair, hard and clean racing. Nothing else really to be said.

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Originally Posted by VkmSpouge

Good, fair, hard and clean racing. Nothing else really to be said.

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yes

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Originally Posted by tamburello

What is the world coming to?

Two drivers race for position.

It doesn't need any in-depth analysis.

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Yep..

hard racing is what I see but it is intresting to see someone like Derek Dailey (sp?) making those comments so convinced of the damage young drivers would be getting by watching those defensive LH moves.


.... I'm glad the other commentators jumped in to have their say too.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

hard racing is what I see but it is intresting to see someone like Derek Dailey (sp?) making those comments so convinced of the damage young drivers would be getting by watching those defensive LH moves.


.... I'm glad the other commentators jumped in to have their say too.

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Defending your position within the rules is part of racing.. whatever his personal opinion is, is irelevent.

ive only just seen this and I think its great hard racing, some people are just trying to make a fuss out of nothing. If lewis had swerved violently back towards the racing line, it would have been bad, but it was just a gentle move.

Race on!!

not worthy of much comment, standard racing moves by 2 good drivers; nothing more.

Lewis Hamilton was brilliant in that front straight showdown.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

hard racing is what I see but it is intresting to see someone like Derek Dailey (sp?) making those comments so convinced of the damage young drivers would be getting by watching those defensive LH moves.


.... I'm glad the other commentators jumped in to have their say too.

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If there was any damage, the good news is that this was likely Derek Daly's last annoncing job and no further youngsters' minds will be affected.

the best thing aboutthe move, and the only worthy point i think that can be taken from it is just how close the 2 drivers were happy to drive next to each other, that was Mansell and Senna terroritry, shows that despite whatt he press spout about them there is clearly a great respect and a great battle between the 2 drivers - great stuff, more of the same please.

says a lot for the sate of F1 aero that a car (albeit identical one) that is faster at that point cannot get past a car on a 23 second straight which is about 15 cars wide! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Robinho

great stuff, more of the same please.

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lmao...how is that not blocking. Hamilton comes off the turn onto the straight in the middle of the track...then swerves to the inside...and THEN pushes Alonso past the middle to the outside...hogging the whole damn track, which by the way is the only damn place on the track to pass!!! ;) Cheap blocking by Lewis. Fernando would have won that race if he passed Lewis there...

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Originally Posted by Kevincal

lmao...how is that not blocking. Hamilton comes off the turn onto the straight in the middle of the track...then swerves to the inside...and THEN pushes Alonso past the middle to the outside...hogging the whole damn track, which by the way is the only damn place on the track to pass!!! ;) Cheap blocking by Lewis. Fernando would have won that race if he passed Lewis there...

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I think your opinion is in the minority here.

Oh and I love how everyone thinks Derek Daly is an idiot..when he's only raced in SIXTY-FOUR (64) F1 races... Ya, I guess all you couch racers would know better than him! ;)

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Originally Posted by Kevincal

lmao...how is that not blocking. Hamilton comes off the turn onto the straight in the middle of the track...then swerves to the inside...and THEN pushes Alonso past the middle to the outside...hogging the whole damn track, which by the way is the only damn place on the track to pass!!! ;) Cheap blocking by Lewis. Fernando would have won that race if he passed Lewis there...

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Get your story straight mate, on some threads you argue that it was cheap blocking by Hamilton, in other threads you argue that since Hamilton is a Rookie and Alonso is a 2 time World Champion and has pay his dues, Hamilton should have respect him and allow him to pass.

But then again, it doesn't matters if you decide on one argument, if you use the "cheap blocking" argument you will be in the minority, it is called racing for a reason and there are rules, Hamilton didn't break the rules, so it was fair. If you decide to use the "he payed his dues, Hamilton disrespected him", you will be an even less minority, racing (and all sports for that matter) is not about paying dues and getting favors out of respect, racing is about who can has the best performance during the race, the guy who gets the best performance out of his car with the help of his crew gets to win.

The Hamilton bandwagon must be full of hot air! ;D

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Originally Posted by jarrambide

Get your story straight mate, on some threads you argue that it was cheap blocking by Hamilton, in other threads you argue that since Hamilton is a Rookie and Alonso is a 2 time World Champion and has pay his dues, Hamilton should have respect him and allow him to pass.

But then again, it doesn't matters if you decide on one argument, if you use the "cheap blocking" argument you will be in the minority, it is called racing for a reason and there are rules, Hamilton didn't break the rules, so it was fair. If you decide to use the "he payed his dues, Hamilton disrespected him", you will be an even less minority, racing (and all sports for that matter) is not about paying dues and getting favors out of respect, racing is about who can has the best performance during the race, the guy who gets the best performance out of his car with the help of his crew gets to win.

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I never said anywhere Lewis should have "allowed" Alonso to pass, but he should have atleast given Alonso a fair shot since Alonso was indeed faster. Instead Hamilton said (with his driving), "to hell with that, I'm gonna hog up the whole straight."

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Originally Posted by Kevincal

I never said anywhere Lewis should have "allowed" Alonso to pass, but he should have atleast given Alonso a fair shot since Alonso was indeed faster. Instead Hamilton said (with his driving), "to hell with that, I'm gonna hog up the whole straight."

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You can lip read at that speed? How amazing.

Have you ever watched your fav driver SchM's swerving, weaving, ramming, blocking, driving someone into a concrete wall?

Get a grip, man, get a grip. You already asked in your thread if you ere the only one who thinks Lewis Hamilton was blocking unfairly, and only a couple of guys agree with you - most of the guys who have been here for years see it otherwise.

Change the record - it's broken!!

These two are getting the attention off the entire field. These two are starting to get on each other's nerve. Watch the next race. It should be fun

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Originally Posted by Kevincal

I never said anywhere Lewis should have "allowed" Alonso to pass, but he should have atleast given Alonso a fair shot since Alonso was indeed faster. Instead Hamilton said (with his driving), "to hell with that, I'm gonna hog up the whole straight."

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Alonso was faster because he robbed the vacuum space behind Hamilton. Alonso tha robba!

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Kevincal

Oh and I love how everyone thinks Derek Daly is an idiot..when he's only raced in SIXTY-FOUR (64) F1 races... Ya, I guess all you couch racers would know better than him! ;)

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Well he DID literally run over his teammate at Monaco, taking them both out of the race! (Perhaps his teammate was "blocking" him??? :) )

Hamilton "gave Alonso the racing line and every opportunity to attempt to out brake him.

if it was actual blocking Alsono would never have got alongside Hamilton, he would have had to take avoiding actions to miss the car and slowed down to avoid contact.

Hamilton moved to make it difficult to keep in the tow, and also to take the inside line into the coprner, Alonso didn't have to follow him over to the other side of the track, but wanted to stay in the tow.

the funnel effect of the 1st corner meant they were moving into a tighter space, if LAonso had braked later he might have taken the place, but he probably would not have been able to take the corner.

i have not seen one comment from Alonso saying that he thought the move unfair, nor from any F1 journo's, commenttators, ex drivers, team managers etc.

defnsive driving and blocking are 2 distinct things - i asked in another thread what you thought of Alonso's excellent defensive driving display at Imola against MS the other year, there were several times he did exactly the saem as hamilton and rightfully kept the lead, why is this different?

I think Alonso was much more aggresive in his defence of his position because he had a much slower car and he was defending over around 20 laps against SchM. One could suggest that some of Alonso's moves were blocking in that race, although I don't remember him swerving violently like some other guy used to. (SchM??)

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Hard racing, but totally fair - from both men.

We moan like mad when there's no action, yet the minute to brilliant drivers get within a few yards of each other we start looking to apportion blame :rolleyes:

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The problem is that only ones attacking LH for that are angry Alonso fans. Alonso was supposed to easily beat Hamilton, yet now the 2 times lucky WDC is getting beaten by a rookie. That has angered the FA fans. Not that it bothers me :D

I like that move, it was good racing. Anyone complaining about that really needs to grow up.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

hard racing is what I see but it is intresting to see someone like Derek Dailey (sp?) making those comments so convinced of the damage young drivers would be getting by watching those defensive LH moves.

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Old derek needs to realize that by making those comments he made himself look like a retard. I really have troubles comprehending why anyone would complain about such racing? Does he want all drivers just to give up their place without any defence at all? Maybe we should ban overtaking during races in that case?

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Originally Posted by Kevincal

lmao...how is that not blocking. Hamilton comes off the turn onto the straight in the middle of the track...then swerves to the inside...and THEN pushes Alonso past the middle to the outside...hogging the whole damn track, which by the way is the only damn place on the track to pass!!! Cheap blocking by Lewis.

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If you want cheap blocking and braketesting, look at this masterpiece by your hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjSFW...elated&search=

Hamilton gave Alonso more than enough room, it was Alonsos problem he didnt have the balls to try to outbrake his teammate.

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Fernando would have won that race if he passed Lewis there...

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:( :( :D

I didn't see any blocking, I saw LH cover the inside line, on a track like Indy into the first turn, its more than wide enough to over take if you have a better car or a better line off the last two turns and great speed down the straight. Blocking is if you swerve back and forward, in the CCWS its any move to defend your line, in F1 that was not blocking, that was defending your line. There have been far worse incidents of blocking in F1 this year I'm sure.

I'm no more a LH fan than an FA fan, but its great to see an under dog do well. Lewis did a great job and so did Alonso, the team performed to gain maximum points. JOB DONE!!!! We should be asking where is Ferrari these last few races????

LH's move was clean and tidy, not ruthless and dirty. LH could've squeezed FA into the concrete wall just like Senna did to Prost in Estoril in 1988 or Schumi forcing Hakkinen onto the grass in Spa 2000, but he didn't.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

says a lot for the sate of F1 aero that a car (albeit identical one) that is faster at that point cannot get past a car on a 23 second straight which is about 15 cars wide! :rolleyes:

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Well its still tough to overtake which Alonso said through out the post-race press conference.

There were other factors involved, not just aero. You have top class drivers when all it takes is a bad graining set of tyres, getting caught out in traffic, lose momentum and you will allow your team-mate to get sucked into the slipstream.


Can't wait for Hockenheim for more overtaking!

There were some side to side passes by other racers on other turns during the circuit.
interesting that only during that long straight the alleged faster car at that moment (FA) had the best chance to try to overtake LH.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Hard racing, but totally fair - from both men. :up:

We moan like mad when there's no action, yet the minute to brilliant drivers get within a few yards of each other we start looking to apportion blame :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

There were some side to side passes by other racers on other turns during the circuit.
interesting that only during that long straight the alleged faster car at that moment (FA) had the best chance to try to overtake LH.

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you know what, that's something thats been on my mind a little.

lewis was a bit slow getting through the back markers but the (apparent) drive getting off the corner was very strange. For two identical cars to be battleing side by side is almost unheard of because of the disruption caused by aeros. Yet Freddie got this huge tow and pulled alongside???

now, if Lewis had tyre problems or some mech issue, I would understand but after the straight, he easily pulled out a gap again.

someone playing games?