Who will retire, get fired, move team, come up from lower classes before we start the 2024 season?
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Who will retire, get fired, move team, come up from lower classes before we start the 2024 season?
Will Tanak even see out the current season?
Who have contracts that ends this season?
I think M-sport will have some changes, sadly enough
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As far as I know only Neuville has a contract for next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Rovanpera's contract is up for renewal at the end of 2023 but Toyoda said that they'll be doing everything to retain him.
IMO he said the same when Tänaks contract started end in 2019. But Kalle isn’t that stupid to leave Toyota as Ott wasQuote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
And like has been said here, only Neuville has a contract for next year out of the whole bunch, which should make the silly season interesting and make interesting moves but I feel all will stay the same
I would put my bet on Cyril. It seems like he is determined to get someone toptop driver in his line-up as they are not able to win the manu title at the moment.
Relation between Rovanpera and Ogier is not 100%...IMO one will go.
I can see Ogier doing part season in Hyundai in combination with Suninen.
Might mean Tanak will go to Toyota in case he doesn't leave.
rovanpera and neuville will stay, ogier will retire completely, tanak will do a partial program with hyundai.
This. Hyundai needs to improve their lineup. Lappi works best as a 3rd driverQuote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
1 Neuville
2 ?
3 Lappi
4 Suninen/?
Lappi is doing the job he's been asked to do and in the conditions he's been allowed (remember Cyril said he was proud of EP for pushing in... Mexico? After he crashed but had good pace). He's a good second driver but now maybe that he's proved his pace he should relax a bit — and anyway anyone can make a pacenote error
Noone is saying he isnt doing a good job. I'm saying theres no chance for Hyundai to win manu championship with Lappi as second option.
What is actually Lappi being asked for? Kinda hard to read. As mentioned in Mexico CA was (seemingly?) happy that he pushed and crashed. But then Sordo was considered a safe scorer. Now Sordo seems to be slipping. Is it still Lappis job to push?
Sure it can work for one of the drivers of the team to have that job, but then you need to pair them with "safe" points scorer. When Sordo isn't that, who can be? Hard to tell if Suninen can, likely not for all rounds. Also difficult to have part time drives as safe scorers, those are more likely to charge and risk.
Lappi can also work as safe point score if ordered to, like it seemed he was last year after Finland.
Are the Stellantis people Neuville is talking to here at 5.50 old buddies from the Citroen Junior WRT days?
https://youtu.be/Vk6_7HDU3e0?t=328
Lappi is there to fight the top guys to take points away for Neuville, and when he's not crashed he's done that (or even collected the points after Neuville's own accidents). Worst case Lappi and Neuville are equally inconsistent and the third driver is always there to collect the points.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I would disagree slightly, Hyundai's biggest probelm with regards winning a manu tutle is Ogier being at Toyota with Rovanpera, over the course of a season I think Lappi could beat Evans with regards 2nd drivers but Ogier is an almost guaranteed few wins which is something no 3rd driver at Hyundai is offering. Admittedly Lappi also certainly needs to improve his consistency, in my opinion he has largely shown better pace than Evans this year but not the results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
Rossell wrote on Instagram few days ago that 2 stellantis are following him this w-endQuote:
Originally Posted by Humber
I agree. Hence best Hyundai could make to secure manu chances is getting Ogier for part season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corcaíoch
The extra points from first are much more important. Lappi could theoretically do that...but he is not getting wins.
My 2024 reading of the palm:
Toyota
Evans
Tanak
Katsuta
Ogier
Hyundai
Neuville
Rovanpera
Lappi
Suninen / Lindholm
M-Sport
Loubet
Fourmaux
Munster / anybody who can pay
If this turns out to be 100% correct i will personally send you box of premium estonian lager :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
italian media: hiunday big offer to ogier
http://www.areacorse.com/hyundai-a-caccia-di-ogier/
We already discussed that it could be very good idea for Hyundai to do this.
So moving on in the speculation. What would Toyota do if that is the case?
- Get Tanak
- "Nothing", letting Katsuta drive more and maybe offering a few outings to Pajari while he drives Rally2 car
- Solberg sharing with Katsuta (but they are mostly good on similar rallies). Also with Pajari seemingly set to go to Toyota having both might be an issue.
- Mikkelsen is good on same rallies as Ogier (hard to say if "good enough"), but Toyota has seemingly never been interested in him during the multiple opportunities in the past.
https://i.postimg.cc/0N6tW4Wz/46328714.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
Too many options still for Toyota and Hyundai, to conclude.
But Ford need to come up with a better lineup than the two frenchmen.
You are too cruel! Show some mercy to Ford. With such lineup they would quit after 3 rallies!Quote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
Sadly I think that's the most likely lineup.
Top drivers like Tanak will avoid them due to their reliability.
MSport doesn't want to pay "2nd best" drivers (their own words in 2022).
The best young/talented drivers like Pajari will rather go to Toyota or Hyundai. Even Lindholm did that and I don't count him as one of the best talents. Drivers with money rather pay for a Skoda at Toksport (Greensmith, Gryazin).
So that leaves 2nd best young drivers with money...and you get exactly the listed lineup. At best maybe they will run Loeb on 2-3 rallies.
It's not cruel, actually very optimistic as they're still in the list...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
I think Tanak will stick around for one more season at MSport, I presume they will bring some updates to make the car suit him for next year.
Toyota just need to hold on to Kalle and Elfyn, the 3rd car is not that important if you have those two.
Hyundai needs to pull something out of it's sleeve. Lappi was quite a good move but as it seems at the moment they don't have a potential WDC in their team. Maybe if they improve the car the balance will change. The Ogier rumor is interesting but I'm not convinced it would be a good move for either of them. I don't see Kalle switching but maybe they could lure Evans...
In 2021 they had Greensmith for a full season and Suninen/Fourmaux sharing the car with Teemu quitting before the Acropolis rally and Fourmaux doing rest of the rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Cant we start to beg Ott and Petter on social media to build the RedGrey/PetterSolberg racing team?
Ott and Oli. That'd be so rad.
And I still hope Mikkelsen finds a Toyota seat in case Kalle goes to Hyundai (??)
Petter is already building new facilites to house a future possible factoryteam, but if he actually have a deal, i don't know.
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In my opinion he probably has some deals, because it would not be wise to make such investment without any agreements.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
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I was thinking the same thingQuote:
Originally Posted by trykmann
It's being rented out to other companies for nowQuote:
Originally Posted by trykmann
Thats what I'm wondering about.There is this noise coming from there about a factory effort, but so far nothing concrete. If there is a manufacturer eyeing to join WRC with Solberg as the operating team/constructor who could it be?Quote:
Originally Posted by trykmann
Subaru maybe, they still have good contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
If the new Rally1 rules is for bigger cars than today, of course.
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And also it`s not published yet who will handle Toyotas Rally 2 effort internationally, they are looking for a outside team to handle itQuote:
Originally Posted by becher
Rally1 are prototypes, potentially shrunken look a likes from bigger road cars, so it is especially conceived to allow unsuitabily large cars to compete so that is certainly not stoping them.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
There will be many teams. Probably TGS, Printsport Racing and Rautio Motorsport.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS