any one got pictures of the livery???..and i dont believe i missed r.o.c.
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any one got pictures of the livery???..and i dont believe i missed r.o.c.
roc is on the 16th.
and redbull's got a citroen?
ohh...read in a post that it went...n e who..if n e one gets pics of it..post here
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Originally Posted by T60
anyone gonna complain about Barry_'s writing? I'm not but just picked it up since Daniel complains about mine! haha
Are you sure that quote is right, saying Meeke tested on a 21 Miles stage and was only 0.3 seconds slower than Loeb. Don't believe that somehow :s
me neither. And I don't see why Red Bull are suddenly going to support Kris Meeke, when they have announced they will only support Aigner.
I didn't pick up that they were only going to support Aigner, only that Andreas was more of a priority than Harri.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
Like people have been saying I hope Red Bull properly throw their weight behind rallying and their drivers Meeke and Aigner and let Kronos do the rest. Without a doubt that would be a team to watch but I can't see it happening somehow.
Red Bull are a personal sponsor of Meeke, although not in the way they have supported Aigner.
Aigner and Meeke would make a nice junior Citroen team driving Xsara's for Kronos, it's what Red Bull should be doing and I hope it works out.
0.3 secs is what I read in MS News too, I also find it hard to believe!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 306 Cosworth
But on last years RGB, he was setting good times in an older spec Subaru, so who knows.
Surely they would'nt publish it, if it was all false info?
As for Red Bull supporting Meeke story, I really think this could happen, as they supported him during his C2 JWRC days at Kronos, and also Citroen Sport are keen to retain Meeke as a test driver, due to his good input and for his technical background skills, before he became a driver...
If this is the supposed 21mil test stage in Finland from last summer I can guarantee it's not correct, no test stages are that long.Quote:
Originally Posted by StevoEvo
I suppose 21k's would be too long as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
Offcourse, you get nothing done driving that long stages, takes too much time, i belive the whole story is crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by GunsofNavarone
I have never had the pleasure of watching a test session in Finland before, but I guess it's pretty universal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
I don't know anything about Finland testing, so maybe your correct and the article is wrong... no worries :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
I assumed it was like an endurance test stage being 21k long lol... unless it was 10k one way and 10k back lol
Who knows, Does MS News know even????
Maybe he was 0,3 secs slower/km?
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Originally Posted by StevoEvo
Maybe it was a driver try out test after the dvelopment and set up testing had been complete?
Naw....
Couldn't be that.
Teams would never do something like that.....
the whole thing sounds more like an norwegian rumour.Quote:
Originally Posted by L5->R5/CR
The quote is right. checked it twice now. I thought about it a bit too and I can believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 306 Cosworth
When is there an official announcement from Redbull and/or Kronos for the 2007 program ?? :confused:
It says in MN news this week that Meeke is on the verge of securing the funding to get a drive for Kronos, and it also mentions Reb Bull, so who knows?
Joe
Kronos ran the livery of Gauloises almost all season long, I doubt they would have a problem slapping the Red Bull livery on there (which is most awesome IMHO). We don't have too much time left though before we'll have the line-up for next season figured out so we can stop acting like a bunch of old wives gossiping about the neighbors (neighbors in this case being rally teams). Still , it's always fun to speculate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad cat jnr
According to la Derničre Heure(belgian newspaper) there won't be any Kronos Xsara on Monte-Carlo 2007 at all !!! :eek:
So it was pure rubbish the signature with Redbull ?? :confused:
As I said already som weeks before, much forum members will be disappointed after all rumours from last weeks! Maybe no Kronos and no Bozian in wrc 2007! No Markko Märtin, no Aigner, Duval, Meeke, Pons, Stohl....and more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Again a failure of F.I.A. ? They have a 5 year plan to change wrc!!!!
IMO thatīs to late. The drivers and teams choose now themselves for a cheaper solution, they donīt wait 5 years.
IRC is the future. :s mokin: WRC is now certainly busy with "the beginning of the end"
Well, I feel next year I'll be far more interested in IRC than in WRC :rolleyes:
Not too fast! ;)
We still have got some good news about WRC!
Ok Eurosport decision (why they create and broadcast a new championship instead of backing the existent one btw? :down :) but Eurosport is not the only channel in the world!
And what about Mitsubishi decision to come back in WRC? What about the news about Henning? What about Suzuki arriving in WRC (a key point I think)? What about the come back of Citroën? what about Ford and Subaru ?
WRC is not in dead. The best cars, the best drivers and the most spectacular cars are in WRC. So not too fast guys!!
I didn't say WRC was dead !! :p :
But as a Peugeot fan, I'll be delighted with all that 207 in IRC(if rumours become real news) :D
IMHO, your analyse is the good one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother John
Manufs and drivers are waiting a lot from IRC, cheaper, more spectacular, and with a better TV coverage than WRC.
Let's look how many manufs are alraedy or look at IRC : Fiat, Toyota, Peugeot, Skoda...
As you said : IRC IS the future.
I hope not. But I am afraid. That's why I hope there will not be a separate IRC forum, that's why I am sad about Eurosport decision, that's why I hope Suzuki won't scrap its wrc car project.Quote:
Originally Posted by animrallye
1- Eurosport broadcast a new championship becouse the existent one is too expensiveQuote:
Originally Posted by 1LM1
2- Mitsubishi com back with old cars and the sonsors pay now for development
3- Suzuki and all the others, Ford, Subaru, Citroën...... can readjust their cars in a short time
3- Now wrc is not dead, but if they not change fast and wrc keep to be this way expensive! Then it will be hard to survive!
The problem is that it's a vicious circle. WRC is not too expensive for Eurosport. If they improved the broadcast (as they intend to do with IRC), audience would be higher. My philosophy is that motorsport has to be expensive for manufacturers. I think that at the end the ROI would be better for them.
Has to be expensive? you come from another world?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1LM1
Why there is so much people to lose their job in the car industry?Shareholders are only intrested in money, not in people and certainly not in rally fans! :dozey:
This is an old discussion. What do we want in rallying? We want to see interesting cars giving good spectacle. To reache these thing we don't need electronics neither some other expensive things. I don't care if the care has active difs or not or if the engine is a piece of technology, i want to see a car with many HPs sliding and listen the bang bang from the exaust.
That is the point, manufecturers are always thinking in a way of having more sohisticated cars without looking at the costs. After the car start to race they start to be worried about the costs... people from manufacturers have some complicated minds and FIA follow him.
Look at this example, S2000 see the light, and they were most perfomants than Grp N. Wich could be the way to put things more equal? Put a restritor in group N with 34mm instead the 32mm, giving them more 30/40 HP. But what FIA did? They simple allowed homologations of new brakes and something more in suspensions. A new restrictor would cost nothing, but the new parts homologated costs around 20.000 Euros. It's simple, isn't? We could had Grp N faster with no spend of money, but FIA decided to put them faster with significant investment.
Technology will kill motorsport, because we'll reach the point that pay all that stuff will be impossible to afford.
Obs: When someone says that for manufacturers things should be expensive, that person is showing that don't live in our world.
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Originally Posted by Brother John
It's not because a company cut off staff that they have to spend less money in their projects. It's just the opposite. If they do something, they have to do it right.
If a company spend money in a project, project will be a success and the company will be stronger in the end.
Regarding motorsport, it's the same. Motorport doesn't have inevitably to be cheap to attract manufacturers.
You think in terms of spending when I speak in terms of ROI (return on investment). Only ROI counts because if ROI is good, company is strong and company can play its part in the society (and hire people in the end).
(I encourage you to read the two excellent books written by Jack Welch btw).
ROI is a very interesting thing. More you spend more you have to reach to cover the investment. Did you never tought that sometimes the investments are impossible to cover because the return is low even with a presence of sucess? That is the problem, You don't have idea of waht WRC is or the audeineces that WRC has or could have.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1LM1
The lack of manufacturers isn't because the high investments that are needed to build a WRC project?
I don't know how ROI is in motorport but nobody knows. That I want to say is that maybe ROI is good when motorsport is expensive because the win become more prestigious in the mind of customers in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
People is always thinking in terms of spending and I think it's bad and it's killing motorsport.
I've always thought it is a manufacturere to ask new parts to be homogolated not FIA to propose or tell it's wrong part... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
IRC is managed by SWR Events Ltd. and it's a part of Eurosport.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1LM1
So Eurosport didn't change nothing, they will cover their events !
With the benediction of FIA !
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The 2007 Intercontinental Rally Challenge (IRC), a newly created international series authorised by the FIA, will start in March 2007 and will mark the birth of a new rally generation.
The decision of SRW Events Ltd., the promoter and organiser of this competition, to launch the IRC is emblematic of a new approach to enhancing the value and excitement of the rally sport for TV viewers and will offer manufacturers, drivers and organisers a large-scale project. One of the IRC's main objectives will be to create a strong proximity with the public, a concept that will be developed at all levels of the IRC especially with the innovative TV production.
ok thanks for the explanation! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by animrallye
Aigner will do PWRC next year, so Red Bull Kronos looks unlikely. Shame.
http://www.rallye-info.com/article.asp?sid=0&stid=5820