2020 Tuscan GP - Mugello

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We come to the first F1 race ever at Mugello, behind a sensational Monza race that presented the F1 world with a new F1 race winner in Pierre Gasly. On a Monza weekend where Hamilton was faced with some bad luck, his rivals failed to capitalized on it. Monza was a race that Bottas needed to win to re-establish himself as a realistic contender for the 2020 drivers title.

Equally, this was a race that Verstapenn need to win to close the gap right up to Hamilton, which would have spiced up the season. We go into Mugello with Hamilton still comfortably in the lead and Bottas back in second.


Mugello is Ferrari's test track normally. And this race marks Ferrari's 1000th race celebration, unfortunately in a season where Ferrari is faced with some adversity. This track is new to all the drivers on the grid with exception to Vettel, Raikonen, Leclerc and Giovinazzi. Hence it is interesting to see how the Mercedes fair on Ferrari's test track.

Mercedes and Redbull would be seeking to bounce back from a poor Monza weekend. Hence, this weekend presents Bottas and Verstapenn a great opportunity to give Hamilton a hard time. This is a historic race as the winner of this race shall be the first and only driver to ever win a F1 race on this track; as this track is not on future F1 calendars.

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

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This track is new to all the drivers on the grid with exception to Vettel, Raikonen, Leclerc and Giovinazzi.

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That's not true. F1 last held a test there in 2012, where Grosjean, Bottas, Ricciardo & Perez participated, so they know the track as well..

Well Bottas blew his chances at P1 because he was too slow in his final out lap and let numerous cars go bye him. Smh

Good job Perez. Faster than stroll even though he doesn’t have the new aero parts. Happy with p5 for Leclerc

Could Stroll be more useless, out qualified by Hulkenberg and now by his teammate and Lance has loads of upgraded parts. Bloody hell, that’s team’s a fucking joke.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Could Stroll be more useless, out qualified by Hulkenberg and now by his teammate and Lance has loads of upgraded parts. Bloody hell, that’s team’s a fucking joke.

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Lance didn't get his final run in because of the yellow flag .
Perez did .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Lance didn't get his final run in because of the yellow flag .
Perez did .

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Perez was ahead from the first run anyway. With the upgrades he should have been 3-4 tenths up the road consistently. Lance has no business on this grid. Little Daddy boy he is that has never been worthy of a seat in F1.

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Originally Posted by gm99

That's not true. F1 last held a test there in 2012, where Grosjean, Bottas, Ricciardo & Perez participated, so they know the track as well..

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Yeah, l heard there were Pirelli tyre tests at Mugello a few years back. This explains why Bottas had the edge over Hamilton all the way up to Q3.

This is a trully great track. It has got everything, slow corners, fast curves, a fast straight and steep inclines. It is a racers track like spa and l bet the drivers love it.

This is the first track this season to let fans into the granstand. The ticket price must have been stupendious.

Redbull did a great job for Albon so far this weekend. Albon fourth and right behind Verstapenn is a great showing by Redbull.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Perez was ahead from the first run anyway. With the upgrades he should have been 3-4 tenths up the road consistently. Lance has no business on this grid. Little Daddy boy he is that has never been worthy of a seat in F1.

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Stroll was caught out by the Ocon yellow flag. He did not get a chance to have a run, much like it deprived Bottas from another go at pole. With the upgrades, chances are Stroll would have been ahead.

Hmm I think this incident was kimi’s fault. His car was out of sorts and steered into Gasly which then cascaded to other drivers

I have to say the marshalls this weekend have been exceptionally slow. In watching both F2 races and now this race.

What a strange restart by Bottas which ultimately triggered the pile-up farther down the field. Will we actually be getting any racing this afternoon?

I must say Bottas weaving and ultra slow start caused this. Ridiculous. Tbh I would penalize him.

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Originally Posted by gm99

What a strange restart by Bottas which ultimately triggered the pile-up farther down the field. Will we actually be getting any racing this afternoon?

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Yup. Lewis is wrong. Nothing to do with the safety car lights and all to do with Bottas stupendous restart. I bet you the rules will be changed after this because that was unnaceptable

TBH I think it was excessive for Bottas to hold everyone up like that, but not against the regs, so I'd be surprised if he got a penalty. Still, the regs need tweaking because it's very dangerous stuff - the drivers in the back don't have a way to know that the frontrunners are slow, so as soon as they hit the throttle, then there's a clusterfuck.

I wish we can get a replay of the Sainz spin in T2 because at some point I got the impression that he was already spinning, or at least understeering, when he hit Stroll.

And oh dear, Gasly. That was a terrible qualifying yesterday and he topped it off with a weird crash - mostly his mistake IMO, but it's one of these things that happen in the first lap. At the same time, he should know that if you get in the gap between two cars right before a tight corner, that gap is going to disappear and so will your car if you don't back out.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

I must say Bottas weaving and ultra slow start caused this. Ridiculous. Tbh I would penalize him.

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Yep, but Bottas did nothing wrong though as the temporary safety car until they cross the start line.

Spa 1998 comes to mind with this pile up

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Originally Posted by truefan72

Yup. Lewis is wrong. Nothing to do with the safety car lights and all to do with Bottas stupendous restart. I bet you the rules will be changed after this because that was unnaceptable

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I think Hamilton was talking about the green light coming on before Bottas had crossed the line. Which l think caused the midfield to start racing before Bottas crossed the line.

But...Latifi was going balls out without anyone else which then triggered Sainz to go to. So Latifi is the true villain and Sainz for not paying attention. This might be a case where the teams should be allowed to talk to their drivers on restarts. But Bottas ridiculous slow restart was a factor too

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Originally Posted by N4D13

I wish we can get a replay of the Sainz spin in T2 because at some point I got the impression that he was already spinning, or at least understeering, when he hit Stroll.

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Found a replay on Reddit - not great, but it seems like Sainz and Stroll were parallel, but just a bit too close and Stroll had the outside, so he was faster, clipped Sainz' tyre and that was that. Sainz should have stayed a bit more on the inside there, but well, that's his race gone now.

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Originally Posted by N4D13

TBH I think it was excessive for Bottas to hold everyone up like that, but not against the regs, so I'd be surprised if he got a penalty. Still, the regs need tweaking because it's very dangerous stuff - the drivers in the back don't have a way to know that the frontrunners are slow, so as soon as they hit the throttle, then there's a clusterfuck.

I wish we can get a replay of the Sainz spin in T2 because at some point I got the impression that he was already spinning, or at least understeering, when he hit Stroll.

And oh dear, Gasly. That was a terrible qualifying yesterday and he topped it off with a weird crash - mostly his mistake IMO, but it's one of these things that happen in the first lap. At the same time, he should know that if you get in the gap between two cars right before a tight corner, that gap is going to disappear and so will your car if you don't back out.

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I don't think he would get a penalty as that would be ridiculous. The start line for all tracks need to be moved closer to start of the straight to avoid this sort of thing. Regulations around this is fine l think and does not need to change.

Bottas did nothing wrong!
Sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry! :arrows::laugh::sailor::wave:

Stewards busy today! :dork: :dog::andrea::vampire::grenade:

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Originally Posted by truefan72

But...Latifi was going balls out without anyone else which then triggered Sainz to go to. So Latifi is the true villain and Sainz for not paying attention. This might be a case where the teams should be allowed to talk to their drivers on restarts. But Bottas ridiculous slow restart was a factor too

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Yep, the rookie was the tinder that started this pile up. Even so they all ought to know not to overtake until after the start line.

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

I think Hamilton was talking about the green light coming on before Bottas had crossed the line. Which l think caused the midfield to start racing before Bottas crossed the line.

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Ah. I see. That might be an issue. When does the green light typically come on a SC restart, I thought it is triggered once the safety car pulls off and after the lead car crosses the line. The problem was that Bottas was super slow crossing the line which had a concertina effect in the mid pack which were still slowing and braking and weaving.
I would tweak the process to ban weaving once the SC car leaves and establish a minimum speed.

Anthony Davidson makes some good points though so I defer to his opinion

We get two races in one like in Monza. This is a fantastic race. I hope we get to come back here in the future. WHAT A TRACK!

Verstapenn is out of championship contention at this point l think. Depends on what happens after the restart though.

The Redbull cars not on form this weekend.

Bottas gets penalized by Hamilton :p

Terrible restart by Albon.

Leclerc a bottleneck at this stage

Wow, the DRS is very effective at this race. How Ricciado powers pass Perez with such ease.

I think the RBR has a power issue
Also how bad is the Ferrari that vettel on softs can’t get past russel on mediums smh

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Wow, the DRS is very effective at this race. How Ricciado powers pass Perez with such ease.

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yup. But why is Perez so slow?

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Originally Posted by truefan72

I think the RBR has a power issue
Also how bad is the Ferrari that vettel on softs can’t get past russel on mediums smh

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Yep, Leclerc drifting backwards now

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Originally Posted by truefan72

yup. But why is Perez so slow?

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All the good bits are on Stroll's car.

What is the chance that Russell in the Williams get in front of Leclerc?

Really sad state of the Ferrari. At least they are the best looking car I’ve seen in years. Keep that livery

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

What is the chance that Russell in the Williams get in front of Leclerc?

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Hehe happened

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

What is the chance that Russell in the Williams get in front of Leclerc?

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Pretty decent