So guys!
New year and time for Pickems?
From my side Iīm prepared for doing my share of the job, same as last year. What do you say Kradovech and Spiderem?
Letīs go!?
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So guys!
New year and time for Pickems?
From my side Iīm prepared for doing my share of the job, same as last year. What do you say Kradovech and Spiderem?
Letīs go!?
Let's rock n roll!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Hey guys, happy new year and all the best for your family and friends. Health and happiness.
I think I can provide the same input for the first half of the season, second half to be confirmed as I may be traveling and not have regular access to laptop.
Best of luck!
I was meaning to create this thread, just did not get around to it. Firstly, yes, I am willing to keep up my end for the upcoming year as well.
But before we go ahead with it on full steam, lets quickly discuss if there is a better way to do it. I don't have a solid answer myself, yet. What I was unhappy about last year was the amount of mistakes that were discovered, it means that some mistakes probably were not found. I did manually check the top 10 each time, so the crown belongs to rew without a doubt. But there may have been some misawarded points in the lower ranks. The root of all mistakes was the manual insertion of predictions.
I took part in 2 other "third-party" prediction websites last year, mainly for testing purposes. Both of them were also advertised on these forums as well. Although both were good, in my opinion they do not quite correspond to the needs of this community.
A more serious candidate is the system ERC pickems is using on this forum, pantealex mentioned it in the last years pickems thread. At first glance it seems like a perfect way of doing it since it removes the data insertion problems. To my ignorant eyes it seems like it would also need less time for managing. I would be willing to give it a go if PLuto is willing to share his secrets and help set it up here. I think I can manage it, I mean, how hard can it be, right? (Famous last words)
I'm totally with you. If there is an "automated" system available on this forum, then it will save time and reduce the number of mistakes due to human factor...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kradovech
Thanks for the work you all do providing the service. Always appreciated.
I understand the charm of doing pick'ems here like this, but if you are looking for an alternative then may I suggest Splithut.com?
Last year some of you played there. It was our first year and it was very basic, but it worked.
This year we are introducing an easier way to manage groups as well as groups leader board. That means groups with 5 members or more participate in a separate competition with the group average score.
This is not all. In Splithut now you will have to predict the power stage top 5 as well for extra points. That deadline comes with the start of the last day.
And of course - we are making some minor visual changes.
While the updates are not live today, because the visual changes are still in the works, you can still register an account on the website. Updates will go live some time this week.
So, if you are interested, then making a group in Splithut for this forum, would be the easier solution.
Sorry if this post annoys some people. I'm just suggesting a solution for a problem.
No problems for me either. If better ways are possible, letīs try them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kradovech
Ok, so right now the situation is like this: I have contacted Mark via PM about this. He is the admin who set it up for ERC. No reply so far.
As I now understand, the automated part only concerns data entry, analysis of results will remain same as last year. But it should work alot better with automated entries.
Plan of action: if he does not reply in time for Monte Carlo, lets proceed same as last year. Hopefully we will be able to get it working for Sweden
May I ask what the needs of this community are? Maybe I can fulfill them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kradovech
Well, I am hardly a spokesperson for the enitre community, since I have freaquented these forums only for about 2 years. But I believe I have some idea why the migration didn't fully happen last year when no one wasn't handling it here yet. 2 main reasons in my eyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kefdude
1. People want to compete with the people from the forums (Or friends or coworkers etc...). This could be achieved with a "group or league or whatever you want to call it". You would get a separate scoreboard with only the people from your group. Now that I am reading your webpage again, is that what your group function entails? If yes, then maybe you could explain it a bit more on the webpage, I assumed firstly that the group thing was only for the group competition.
2. A bigger problem, people are used to the system here and they simply won't bother creating a user elsewhere, where they might have to use a different name, remember a new password or god knows what other reason. The people that do join see that many others have not and they will drop out as well. Pretty much what happened a year ago. Not really sure what you could do about it.
I don't want to get ahead of myself but it is likely I will manage it here only for one more year. So unless someone else picks up that ball, next year may end up being skipped here and then a year after that people might be up for trying a new solution :)
For what its worth, I think overall you have good thing going on, I did a full season last year, and will probably do it again this year
Thank you for clarifying.
The group system is exactly what you need. You have people join your group and in the overall tables you can filter out your group to see the "private" table. We just added the group competition to add extra spice. The main action is still in the overall tables.
I completely agree with the fact that getting people to register an account in another site can be hard. But we've made it as easy as we can. And you can use the same username as in these forums.
I realized that as a new and unknown member of this community it is super hard for me to get people to check out our site. If it users with more "authority" suggested it things would surely be easier.
Another thing. We are absolutely looking to improve our site and are looking for any sort of feedback. Maybe together with these Forums we could make magic? And our platform can be used in other motor sports as well, not only rally.
If nothing happens I will start up Pickems 2020 Thursday at 1200 CET.
Well. I can create a group for you if it makes things easier. Just look it up in the "groups" tab and I will accept your request to join. Maybe this way we can get the critical mass over there.
www.splithut.com
Well I joined the group, to help keep it started. We can keep it a parallel competition this year as well, a good comparison on how different scoring systems affect results. One advantage your site has is that results will be posted practically instantly after rally end, here it might sometimes take weeks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kefdude
I saw your email but didn't get around to replying yet. I do have a few suggestions, but I don't want to derail this thread
Hi, used the site a bit last year, but this year gonna do it full. Made a group for a discord server i am in, which will make it more exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kefdude
However, I wish there was possible to link directly to a group. Currently if you do that, you will see "you do not have access"
Also, I'd love to see some statistics on the site
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Rules of the new season will be same as last season. I will sum them up here:
Scoring:
Points are awarded according to the table below.
https://i.ibb.co/zX46fCn/scoring-v1.png
In case of equal score, the win is given to the better prediction of 1st place. If that is equal then better prediction of 2nd place gets the win etc.
In overall standings the lowest scoring round of each player will be dropped, starting from Sweden.
Predictions
Predictions will be made either in a designated forum thread or an automated system on the forum, should we get it working later in the season.
Predictions have to be made using the format and rules described in the prediction thread. Predictions with different format will be disqualified because they do not work with the automated system.
Each driver can only be selected once - prediction 1 Tanak 2 Tanak 3 Tanak will not give you points for all the predicted positions.
Thank you for the feedback. I will look into the link option. I think we can arrange that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katvala
Statistics can be done. I will try and post them some time after each rally.
Guys. Motorsport Forums group is created and you can easily join it. Give it a try, maybe you like it and it will be great fun. 2 days until the deadline!
www.splithut.com
I signed in and had confirmation email. But log in doesnīt work for me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kefdude
Is it possible to be in multiple groups at once?
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It was my own bad. Log in works good. However got in today, some 18h after deadline...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Yes it is. Just join them and have the group admin accept your request.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katvala
We are actually planning on making some changes to bring a much better group experience. Working on it as we speak. Mainly we want our users to be able to create a new private championship mid season. Among other things of course.
Just for the sake of alternatives I'll share my own platform as well.
We have leagues which functions as a private leaderboards table.
We have an extremely similar point scoring system to what Kradovech posted earlier.
Registration process takes seconds and you can create leagues starting from any event in the calendar.
Joining motosport forums league can be done just by clicking here https://wrcfan.com/leagues/motosportforum.
Monte Carlo predictions are still open! You have until the start of SS1!!!
what about the results for Monte?
Im waiting for Spiderem to send me the raw data. He has not been active here since 8th of January, probably away. So it is going to be a little while longer.
Sorry guys i've been on vacation... So much on vacation that i even forgot to put my pickem for MC :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Kradovech
It's a bit busy in the coming week, but i'll try to wrap up the data for MC and Sweden (hopefully we have a rally).
Hi Spiderem and Kradovech as a one off I have puledl the Monte Carlo data for you. Could someone message me an email address and I can send to you an excel file ready for you to use
As we watch Rally sweden, It is now time to kick off with pickems results for Monte. Credit to KiwiWRCfan this time for preparing the raw results and letting spiderem enjoy his vacation :). And of course Rallyper for managing the pickems thread. Please do check your results and let me know if you find mistakes.
Rally Monte Carlo
Not a brilliant start... for me. In fact none of the last year's top3 did very well. New year, new champions.
Win goes to sidrun, congrats! GigiGalliNo1 and Allez Andruet are not far behind in second and third.
https://i.ibb.co/Yh78FRk/Monte-1.png
https://i.ibb.co/Z26CHYF/Monte-2.png
I'm nowhere to be seen!?
Or did you somehow manage to miss my nick and replace it with my location? There, in 70th?
Yup, looks like that is exactly what happened. Fixed.
Ok, cheers!
Sweden results?
Situation is the same as it was with Monte - I am waiting for Spiderem or another good samaritan to prepare the raw data in excel.
On the same topic - I have not been able to receive a reply from Mark about getting the automated input system working for out predictions. I assume it would take more time for him that he would be willing to contribute. It might be because the entry list varies from event to event so he would have to research it every time. But maybe the technical part would take a lot of time as well, I am not sure.
I have been thinking about how to get the data from the forum to excel quickly and with no chance of errors, so I could do it myself. My problem so far is matching the predictions to the user name when I copy the predictions from the forum.
Onbly solution I can think of is changing the input format. Users would have to add their name to predictions line, for example in the end of the line. Like this:
1 Ogier 2 Neuville 3 Lappi 4 Evans 5 Suninen 6 Rovanpera 7 Tanak 8 Latvala Kradovech
Seems simple enough but people are creatures of habit and might miss the change in prediction format... What do you think, everyone?
I’m in, no big deal adding the username if it makes life easier for you who deal with the results etc.
What about submitting with a google drive form? You have it in a spreadsheet straight away.
I thought about that as well, but that way we have no control over the username. I could submit EstWRC's pickems with Jocius on P1 for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
@kradovech 30 mins before submitting Rally Mexico Pickems. Shall I add that name should be added last on the same predictionline?
No one has predicted yet so i say lets go for it. I made a big shiny anouncement in the first post so people wouldn't miss it, but it would be best if you edit it into the original post, Per. If majority still miss it, no harm done - predictions can still be collected by hand. But if it succeeds, the results can be much faster in the future.
I have also thought about google drive but it is as AnttiL said, anyone could change anyone elses predictions. It would alomost certainly happen purely by accident - people would click on the wrong row. I have reached a conclusion that if we want to insert the data in any other place than this forum, creating a user and password would be required in some form or another
Hi Guys, sorry but i have to drop the ball. Life is crazy busy at the moment and literally no spare time... And it doesn't look like it will get any better soon. If anyone volunteers to give the info to Kradovech for the rest of the season it would be greatly appreciated.
Apologies...