So... when does Haas show Grosjean the door?

Does anyone else think that he won't be returning to the Haas garage after the summer break?

Admittedly I've never been a big Grosjean fan. Sorry, but he just always struck me as an accident prone whiner. But other than Danica Patrick's (delusional) belief that she had the option of going to F1 when she was leaving the IRL, I can't think of anything much sillier than Grosjean thinking that he had a chance to go to Ferrari.

So now, after his latest incidents at the British GP weekend (ripped off his front wing while wandering out of the pitlane... really?! :rolleyes:), I'll say that he won't answer the bell after the summer break is over. What say you fine folks.

Grosjean has never been good enough for F1. He has had multiple chances as a GP driver and has never really proven himself. He is at best an lower tier average driver that manages to put in a good performance every now and then. I haven't been able to understand why he has a F1 drive for many years. It’s a complete waste of a F1 seat. What’s more is I think he knows he isn’t truly good enough.

There are far more talented drivers in the world that deserve a seat way more than he does.

He’ll probably make it to years end with Haas but hopefully we’ll see the back of this embarrassment then. The sooner he leaves F1 the better.

Yep, Ferrari wanted him to replace Kimi... In his dreams perhaps.

Yeah, I'm with you on Roman not being at Hass, possibly even not being in F1 next year unless he can bring some money to the table.
He has shown occasional speed but always has been a bit of a liability... last weekend was just embarassing.

Kubica too. His speed has probably gone due to his injury... or they have a real superstar in Russell. Possibly a little bit off both but its really not looking good for Robert... sad to see.

I think the reason Haas hired Grosjean was that, since they were a new team, he at least was experienced in F1 and could provide feedback on car development. Probably came cheap too. Those days are now past and it's time for him to go.

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I think the reason Haas hired Grosjean was that, since they were a new team, he at least was experienced in F1 and could provide feedback on car development. Probably came cheap too. Those days are now past and it's time for him to go.

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Agreed. I thought Grosjean had promise earlier in his career but his moments of speed have been way too sporadic and never blinding enough to make up for his countless careless actions on track. Steiner has been open about how he feels and Grosjean can count his lucky stars if he makes it to the season's end without getting the boot.

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But if Grosjean was to be kicked, who would be getting his seat at Haas? The only obvious name is Esteban Ocon and I can imagine Ferrari being quite uneasy about having a Mercedes development driver racing for Haas. The Italians' discomfort is not a small issue when Haas is said to have technical agreements with Ferrari...

Roman is not focused for driving for F1 for sure.
The problem there is very few options to replace him with anyone. Duper License points hits badly. Lately very few drivers can reach to drive for F1.
Name me someone then Ocon free to drive which Merc will not let him.


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Steiner's repeated "if this continues, we will have to do something" makes him look like a paper tiger. What other team or team principal would put up with four (?) collisions within the team in a single season??? Either the drivers are bringing some major sponsor dollars to the team... or someone has pictures of someone with an Austrian accent with a farm animal. wink wink

I don't know if he still has any interest in returning to F1, but I'd at least open discussions with Alexander Rossi. Would he be the best choice? Maybe not. But until either Tweedledee or Tweddledum actually think that they can be replaced, and there's a new face hanging around the team, why would they change their ways?

Latest rumor is Hulkenberg is replacing him for 2020.

That's a great rumor. Hulk will surely lift the team from ashes. Go Hulk.

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Steiner's repeated "if this continues, we will have to do something" makes him look like a paper tiger. What other team or team principal would put up with four (?) collisions within the team in a single season??? Either the drivers are bringing some major sponsor dollars to the team... or someone has pictures of someone with an Austrian accent with a farm animal. [I]wink wink

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Steiner doesn't have an Austrian accident. He stems from South Tyrol (Alto Adige), which is part of Italy but where German is commonly spoken, albeit in a dialect that can be hard to comprehend even for other native German-Speakers ;)

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That's a great rumor. Hulk will surely lift the team from ashes. Go Hulk.

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Yeah, with Hülkenberg, surely podiums will come...

https://beyondtheflag.com/2019/08/24...ean-haas-2020/

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Steiner's repeated "if this continues, we will have to do something" makes him look like a paper tiger. What other team or team principal would put up with four (?) collisions within the team in a single season??? Either the drivers are bringing some major sponsor dollars to the team... or someone has pictures of someone with an Austrian accent with a farm animal. wink wink

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Steiner doesn't have an Austrian accident. He stems from South Tyrol (Alto Adige), which is part of Italy but where German is commonly spoken, albeit in a dialect that can be hard to comprehend even for other native German-Speakers ;)

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Well, I still haven't forgiven them for bombing Pearl Harbor. :erm:

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Well, I still haven't forgiven them for bombing Pearl Harbor. :erm:

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I thought the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour, nothing to do with the Italian Germans of Alto Adige. C'mon man, give the man a break, sacking a driver is not an easy recourse. Besides, Grosjean did his bit to help Haas realize its current form. It takes two to tango, Magnussen has a share of the blame too, l think.

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I thought the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour, nothing to do with the Italian Germans of Alto Adige.

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:D

OK... so who's gonna tell him?

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:D

OK... so who's gonna tell him?

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There is a pattern beginning to emerge here l think. It is looking like French drivers who manage to win the F2 championship are unable to carry forward their excellence into F1. They arrive at F1 and implode it seems. That is what is happening to Grosjean and we see it in Gasly as well. Both have great racing talent with promise of World championship winning potential in the right teams with the right car.

I think the pressure to excel gets the better of them and they just fall short of their true potential as a consequence. Winning the F2 title is not an easy proposition. It is a very hard proving ground for the right of entry into F1. Hence, l think we have not seen the best of Grosjean or Gasly. As things has turned out for Grosjean, we may never see his true F1 potential. But there is some hope that we may see the true potential of Gasly with a bit of luck.

Just funnin' with you, Nitro.

Where are the Animal House fans when you need them? :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=SVY7w9DqZ_A

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Just funnin' with you, Nitro.

Where are the Animal House fans when you need them? :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=SVY7w9DqZ_A

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Ha ha, don't you just love him. He cracks me up everytime l watch him.

At least with Hulk in the Haas next year, the level of whining and crying at the team should be a bit less. But it'll be interesting to see how Hulkenberg and Magnussen get along, after their (in)famous public trading of insults earlier this season. I doubt that they'll drop Magnussen too, but one never knows. I don't know who they could replace him with that would be better. If they're inclined to go for a clean slate, I'd like to see Alexander Rossi (who does have some F1 experience) partner a solid veteran like Hulkenberg.

I just get the feeling that Haas has gotten itself into a rut and doesn't really know how to get back on the road to success. But we'll see.

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If they're inclined to go for a clean slate, I'd like to see Alexander Rossi (who does have some F1 experience) partner a solid veteran like Hulkenberg.

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Rossi recently signed a three-year-extension with Andretti Autosport in the Indy Car Series. While he may be able to get out of that with some $$$, he probably prefers being a front-runner in Indy cars to being an also-ran in (Haas) F1.

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At least with Hulk in the Haas next year, the level of whining and crying at the team should be a bit less. But it'll be interesting to see how Hulkenberg and Magnussen get along, after their (in)famous public trading of insults earlier this season. I doubt that they'll drop Magnussen too, but one never knows. I don't know who they could replace him with that would be better. If they're inclined to go for a clean slate, I'd like to see Alexander Rossi (who does have some F1 experience) partner a solid veteran like Hulkenberg.

I just get the feeling that Haas has gotten itself into a rut and doesn't really know how to get back on the road to success. But we'll see.

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I think Haas also have the option of Werhlein, if they choose to drop Magnussen too. Werhlein was slightly better than Ocon for instance and is still very young. He would be a better fit with Hulkenburg and still produce Magnussen level of Performance or better.

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Rossi recently signed a three-year-extension with Andretti Autosport in the Indy Car Series. While he may be able to get out of that with some $$$, he probably prefers being a front-runner in Indy cars to being an also-ran in (Haas) F1.

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Ah. I heard that he'd re-signed. I didn't know it was for that long. You're probably right. When he started finding success in Indy car, he seemed to indicate that he was happy to be winning and running at the front in a racing series, even if it was lower down the order. Yeah, I don't think that he's desperate to get back to F1. I'd just like to see a talented American be there.

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I think Haas also have the option of Werhlein, if they choose to drop Magnussen too. Werhlein was slightly better than Ocon for instance and is still very young. He would be a better fit with Hulkenburg and still produce Magnussen level of Performance or better.

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I agree. I like that kid. I really do. There were rumors that Werhlein had some attitude issues and that's why Force India didn't pick him up. But that ride wouldn't have lasted anyway. I think that if he could have separated from Mercedes sooner, he would have been a MUCH better choice for Alfa Romeo, rather than pitiful Giovinazzi. I really hope to see him make it back.

He's baaaaaack
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...ture-uncertain
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more

Hey Baggie,
Jacques finally put out an opinion that actually stands up to reason. It is probably not going to be popular with the 'Hulksters' in and around here, but I think it makes sense:
https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/4...ys-villeneuve/

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Haas had been expected to draft in Hulkenberg following his release from Renault, but will instead give Grosjean a fifth year in the team, despite a run of errors and struggles to score consistently in 2019.
Villeneuve, however, sees little to choose from between Grosjean and Hulkenberg and says Haas should only replace the Frenchman if a race-winning driver becomes available, or someone with the potential to become one.
"These are the two drivers with the most races without victory. Hulkenberg didn't even make it to the podium once," Villeneuve is quoted by motorsport-total.com.
"Why would you change anything at Haas? If you want to trade in Grosjean, it must be either for a young talent or for an older driver who has already won a victory, such as Ricciardo."

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Rogro just has to up his game! Go down to Mississippi and get a hold of a Mojo Hand! They say that there is only one real Mojo bush left in the world. It's the winnin' boys magic! He can pick it up at an old dusty crossroads, and it will only cost him his eternal soul! :dozey:

https://www.aromagregory.com/wp-cont...bs-600x762.jpg

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Hey Baggie,
Jacques finally put out an opinion that actually stands up to reason. It is probably not going to be popular with the 'Hulksters' in and around here, but I think it makes sense:
https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/4...ys-villeneuve/

Rogro just has to up his game! Go down to Mississippi and get a hold of a Mojo Hand! They say that there is only one real Mojo bush left in the world. It's the winnin' boys magic! He can pick it up at an old dusty crossroads, and it will only cost him his eternal soul! :dozey:

https://www.aromagregory.com/wp-cont...bs-600x762.jpg

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Mojo bush is everywhere in Africa, a short trip and he is a nonstop winner. He may walk with a gammy leg after tho :-)

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Mojo bush is everywhere in Africa, a short trip and he is a nonstop winner. He may walk with a gammy leg after tho :-)

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About Growjean is hard 2 talk .. in Gp2 one the most tallent guys n showman 2 watch not the same in F1

I hope open a door 2 Pietro Fittipaldi in 2021 .. Brazil need's a F1 Driver !! About new generation of Brazilian Driver's the better's are Caio Collet n Enzo Fittipaldi but we will need wait 2-3 year to they come F1

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About Growjean is hard 2 talk .. in Gp2 one the most tallent guys n showman 2 watch not the same in F1

I hope open a door 2 Pietro Fittipaldi in 2021 .. Brazil need's a F1 Driver !! About new generation of Brazilian Driver's the better's are Caio Collet n Enzo Fittipaldi but we will need wait 2-3 year to they come F1

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As a huge fan of Emmo Fittipaldi, I'd like to see one of those kids bring the Fittipaldi name back to F1... and the Brazilian flag along with it. But I don't know much about either one of them. What's the talent level of either?

Max Papis married Emmo's daughter, right? Which kid is his?

YUP!! u can put money in Enzo the little brother he's inFerrari Academy , winning alot but Pietro i think he get old 2 join F1 probaly if have chance next year he will have 23 ... n he not have that many victory's in his back .. only world series title i guess !

No it's not maximiliano papis kids

Look this interview about Barrichello n Max PAPIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQMPpR4nMDU

like i said have many brazilian names in one step 2 f1 like Sette Camara , Pietro Fittipaldi , Pedro Piquet , but the ones u can put ur money for have chance in my opinion have a carreur bigger than 1 year lol is Caio Collet n Enzo Fittipaldi ! is the type kids who's beating ever single champ n kid's in they competitions since they start but they are younger generation we will need wait 2 years i guess ! Felipe Drugovich n Gianluca Petecof whos in Ferrari academy he's doing very well 2 but i don't know if he will have the chance n skills 2 join F1 ! Felipe Massa already said Caio Collet is the most tallent driver of the last years in Brazil n Caio has Jean TOddy son's as a manager that would help 2 lol.

that's for u

Emerson n Rubens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aOVwTrSUPg

Montoya n Rubens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPQ0bG2KxW0

Alonso n Rubens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqRgWdSeIrE

Massa n Rubens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLzt6V14SuQ