Congrats Lewis Hamilton 4 time world champion

So a slightly crazy race but a good one.

Its an immense achievement to win 4 world titles. He stands with 5 men only who have achieved this. He should be proud no matter if people love or hate him.

Great effort today from Vettel. Great comeback. Launched into overtakes determined to try his hardest to win the race. Did all he could. Shows the level of the racing driver.

Hamilton had massive damage to his diffuser as shown on Sky. Great to see Alonso absolutely not show any mercy to the Champion elect and battle hard. Again the guy shows his genius and class.

Good race and deserving world champion.

Congratulations Lewis. :)

What now... are you retiring or chasing a 5th title?

He should go for number 5. To match Fangio would be awesome.

Amazing how many people on social media (i know that says it all) are bashing Hamilton for his 4 titles.

I know its dull to see 4 titles for Mercedes in a row, but that is F1. Most drivers Champions have the best car that season. He won 4 titles and deserves recognition love him or hate him.

Congratulations to Lewis!

He said that he's not thinking of retiring yet, so let's look forward to a good championship battle again next year.

I think Max Verstappen will be a bigger threat next year too.


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Big Congratulations to British 4 times Champion Lewis Hamilton
Like him or hate him he does it his way OK maybe he has had the best car but Bottas struggles with it ,so its not as good as the Red Bull that Vettel won his 4 titles in .
Vettel lost this race due to the "Red Mist" when he saw Hamilton was passing him as well as Vestappen
Had he have let Hamilton go suffered no damage then challenged for the race with pure racing ability ,he would be more respected .Most of his problems this year have been with his aggressive starts

To be fair. I am still not convinced it was intentional. However he has a history of getting frustrated at things.

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Originally Posted by driveace

Big Congratulations to British 4 times Champion Lewis Hamilton
Like him or hate him he does it his way OK maybe he has had the best car but Bottas struggles with it ,so its not as good as the Red Bull that Vettel won his 4 titles in .

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I don't get your rather flawed logic here. Vettel took the championship titles in 2010 through 2013. But despite everyone talking about how dominant that Red Bull car was, Webber hasn't finished in any of those seasons higher than 3rd. In 2012 he was 6th. In 2010 and 2012 Ferrari was within a few points from taking a driver's title, which proves that RBR wasn't as dominant was some people claim.

On the other hand, the Mercedes drivers finished the 2014, 2015, and 2016 championships as 1-2 which is an evidence in favor of those Mercedes cars being extremely dominant. Those three years no car could challenge them consistently. It looks like this year there can be an exception to this rule, with Vettel _perhaps _ taking the second, but that's not guaranteed. Either way, the 2017 season proves that Ferrari has caught up with Mercedes in many many parts of season, and (2) Bottas isn't very good. Rosberg was able to put real competitive pressure on Hamilton, but Bottas is not someone who is a menace to Lewis.

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I don't get your rather flawed logic here. Vettel took the championship titles in 2010 through 2013. But despite everyone talking about how dominant that Red Bull car was, Webber hasn't finished in any of those seasons higher than 3rd. In 2012 he was 6th. In 2010 and 2012 Ferrari was within a few points from taking a driver's title, which proves that RBR wasn't as dominant was some people claim.

On the other hand, the Mercedes drivers finished the 2014, 2015, and 2016 championships as 1-2 which is an evidence in favor of those Mercedes cars being extremely dominant. Those three years no car could challenge them consistently. It looks like this year there can be an exception to this rule, with Vettel _perhaps _ taking the second, but that's not guaranteed. Either way, the 2017 season proves that Ferrari has caught up with Mercedes in many many parts of season, and (2) Bottas isn't very good. Rosberg was able to put real competitive pressure on Hamilton, but Bottas is not someone who is a menace to Lewis.

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Damn, there's those pesky facts again. Where is Trump when you need him?

I have to agree to a point with Zako

I mean Red Bull seemed dominant but Webber was not often close to the title fight. Maybe 2010.

Was that because Vettel got everything out of it or Webber was average? Hard to know.

Mercedes have been dominant 14-16.

This year there have been at least 6 races where in race set up the Mercedes were not the fastest car.

I think this is Hamiltons best Mercedes title. Close to 2008 levels.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

I think this is Hamiltons best Mercedes title. Close to 2008 levels.

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I agree with this. Having followed him since his junior formula days, I have to say that I've been impressed with how he's matured and developed as a racer. Where once he didn't know how to manage his tires, now he's one of the better ones when it comes to tire management. The way that he marked time while Vettel burned up his tires in the USGP, and then pounced on him, was the best example of that this year, IMO.

You guys are confusing with Webber for someone who is really talented. I also find it unusual that anyone rates Hamilton's 08 title as particularly good, excluding that he reset the record for youngest champ. Overall, he was better in his first year. In hindsight he was fortunate Alonso left, as Alonso would've taken points off him.

That being said. He'll be racing til his mid 40s. I now expect him to get 8 titles and 100 wins.

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Was that because Vettel got everything out of it or Webber was average? Hard to know.

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I think what happened with Webber is that he was well above average at some point but reached his peak in 2010. I recall reading Webber's interview about why he decided to quit F1 after 2013 (I can't find its link unfortunately), where Webber tells that he worked very hard to beat Vettel week after week all the time, and then he looked at himself in a mirror and had a thought "I am not 22 year old any more" or something like that, and then he decided to quit.

Webber is average. Has always been. From British fford to Mercedes GT, to f3000, to his F1 career prior to 2010.

Congratulations to Lewis, he’s once again shown what sets him apart from many and joins the elite group with Vettel. I have a feeling he’ll fight for one more championship and retire. I’ve always thought he’d leave the sport in his early 30’s. When you’ve got 4 titles the rest is just doing it for fun and he’s evidently looking at a career outside of F1.


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Originally Posted by steveaki13

So a slightly crazy race but a good one.

Its an immense achievement to win 4 world titles. He stands with 5 men only who have achieved this. He should be proud no matter if people love or hate him.

Great effort today from Vettel. Great comeback. Launched into overtakes determined to try his hardest to win the race. Did all he could. Shows the level of the racing driver.

Hamilton had massive damage to his diffuser as shown on Sky. Great to see Alonso absolutely not show any mercy to the Champion elect and battle hard. Again the guy shows his genius and class.

Good race and deserving world champion.

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yeah its a great achievement to win 4 titles but last 3 titles have been with an utterly dominant car and pretty dull team-mates who only show up once in a while.
Same as Vettel actually. It would mean a lot more if there was a serious battle like his 1st (and 3rd) title

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yeah its a great achievement to win 4 titles but last 3 titles have been with an utterly dominant car and pretty dull team-mates who only show up once in a while.
Same as Vettel actually. It would mean a lot more if there was a serious battle like his 1st (and 3rd) title

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I don't get how anyone can regard Rosberg as a dull team mate. I regard Nico as one of the best drivers of the last 10-15 years. He had incredible pace and was a wholly deserving world champion.

This year was one of the toughest championships I can remember for the first half of the season and first number of races in the second half of the season at least. Even Ferrari themselves believe they have the best overall package in their car and I'd agree. It was the sheer hard work, grit and determination of Mercedes and Hamilton that won this years championship. Hamilton has a tendency to be a little inconsistent at times but this year, Russia aside, he has been flawless. He took a very quick but difficult car to drive and wrung its neck. I don't think you can have anymore deserving a WDC than that.

Mercedes outfoxed Ferrari in qualifying, on strategy etc I think Ferrari could have been champions this year had they a stronger driver than Kimi in the car and played their strategies correctly even with their failures and Vettel's Singapore mess up.

The MB was the better car overall. But thanks to the new regs, the gap closed.

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I don't get how anyone can regard Rosberg as a dull team mate. I regard Nico as one of the best drivers of the last 10-15 years. He had incredible pace and was a wholly deserving world champion.

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Lololol Oh yeah. Now he was one of the best drivers, with incredible pace and deserving world champion.

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The MB was the better car overall. But thanks to the new regs, the gap closed.



Lololol Oh yeah. Now he was one of the best drivers, with incredible pace and deserving world champion.

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Vettel disagrees with you:

https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/08...-the-best-car/

Don't really get your last point, I've always rated Nico's ability supremely high and alway stated I felt he was good for a championship or two. Just always felt, and still do, that he didn't have to cheat to achieve it and he did that last year.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

I have to agree to a point with Zako

I mean Red Bull seemed dominant but Webber was not often close to the title fight. Maybe 2010.

Was that because Vettel got everything out of it or Webber was average? Hard to know.

Mercedes have been dominant 14-16.

This year there have been at least 6 races where in race set up the Mercedes were not the fastest car.

I think this is Hamiltons best Mercedes title. Close to 2008 levels.

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I agree, the Vettel-Webber battle was not quite as close as the Hamilton-Rosberg battle. At least Rosberg won one of the Championship to show how really good he was. I felt Vettel had not come up against the sort of opposition that Hamilton presented in a car like Mercedes and he clearly was very frustrated with the immense and relentless opposition that transpired. He finally met a worthy opponent in an equally but sometimes inferior car. Vettel would be better prepared in 2018.

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Lololol Oh yeah. Now he was one of the best drivers, with incredible pace and deserving world champion.

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indeed ;)

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Vettel disagrees with you:

https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/08...-the-best-car/

Don't really get your last point, I've always rated Nico's ability supremely high and alway stated I felt he was good for a championship or two. Just always felt, and still do, that he didn't have to cheat to achieve it and he did that last year.

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What Rosberg did was what it took to be able to overcome a very incredible world champion that is Lewis Hamilton. And it only really succeeded because it was aided by some very dodgy reliability issues in the Hamilton car. But you have to be there to take advantage of your opponents misfortunes and Rosberg was very much there at each time to capitalize. He is a deserving world champion in my eyes. He drove exceptionally well in 2016 in what was an up and down changing of fortunes season. I felt Webber should have won one of the four driver titles that Vettel won. He really disappointed me because he was looking to the team to hand it to him rather than going out there to take it for himself.

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What Rosberg did was what it took to be able to overcome a very incredible world champion that is Lewis Hamilton. And it only really succeeded because it was aided by some very dodgy reliability issues in the Hamilton car. But you have to be there to take advantage of your opponents misfortunes and Rosberg was very much there at each time to capitalize. He is a deserving world champion in my eyes. He drove exceptionally well in 2016 in what was an up and down changing of fortunes season. I felt Webber should have won one of the four driver titles that Vettel won. He really disappointed me because he was looking to the team to hand it to him rather than going out there to take for himself.

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Yes, quite. I know he had a big fat zero DNF's which is quite remerkable in itself... but did Lewis actually have any mechanical issues this season? I don't remember them...

There was a smell last year that the viewing public did not like The unreliability that Hamilton had with his car ,the problems with the team ,the plans the slips ups all for Hamilton I thought Hamilton got very down at one point and knew where the problem was and what it was about He actually said when asked his views "You can read it ALL in my book when I retire" Why did Rosberg have all the "luck" last year ,and had Mercedes been told by Keke that once Nico won a championship he would retire ? They were all surprised at Mercedes when Rosberg announced his retirement But we will never know if they really knew before .I know something for sure Hamilton has had not a quarter of the DNFs that he had last year

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There was a smell last year that the viewing public did not like The unreliability that Hamilton had with his car ,the problems with the team ,the plans the slips ups all for Hamilton I thought Hamilton got very down at one point and knew where the problem was and what it was about He actually said when asked his views "You can read it ALL in my book when I retire" Why did Rosberg have all the "luck" last year ,and had Mercedes been told by Keke that once Nico won a championship he would retire ? They were all surprised at Mercedes when Rosberg announced his retirement But we will never know if they really knew before .I know something for sure Hamilton has had not a quarter of the DNFs that he had last year

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Unfortunately, the Rosberg WDC and the circumstances of it would always be a stain in Mercedes F1 history. Because when we praise Rosberg for what was a great performance, people would always also refer to the dodgy reliability that beset Hamilton that year. Hamilton won more races and had more engine problems than any Mercedes powered car that year but Rosberg with more points in the same car and no severe engine problems won it.