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This really is sick, even if they were call girls.[rant] I hope the police find the sicko who did it and torture him to death. WHOEVER DID THIS IS A !@#?ing ******. :down: TO HIM THAT THING (worse than a maneating tiger because they only do it to survive and are not violent idiotic perverts who should be in a rubber room since last century). I HOPE THE COPS KILL WHOEVER DID IT.[/rant]
One bit at a time. "Only" call girls? This is why I don't agree when the call goes up for tougher sentences for those who kill police officers. Why make the disctinction. A life's a life.
And your call for cops to kill whoever did it. I assume you're calling for the death penalty to be applied by a court? Well, to attain a conviction the jury must be "beyond reasonable doubt" that the crime took place. Let's say that once this case comes to court that it's 99% certain that the police have the right person. But 1% uncertain - because very little in this life is black and white. A jury faced with putting someone to death would probably find the accused innocent purely on that 1% of doubt.
Your sentiment is understandable, but you really need to take a breath and think what you're saying before you post.
Do you know the bit that bothers me most?
Men just won't get this (sorry, but you can't really) but there is a one in six million chance of any woman in this country beingt killed by this/these murdering barstewards. That's twice the chance of lottery winning.
Yet still it's a Suffolk police issue with no specialists being brought in.
Do they think the loon doing this doesn't have a road map out of the area? :mark:
If it was just normal, random men being killed, not working girls, there would be more police involved by order of the Home Secretary. If it was rich City men being killed, they'd have had me, pensioners and one legged blind hobbos in uniform patrolling the streets two days ago :mark:
Sadly true.
I am in no way an apologist for the "sex industry" but these women deserved protection as citizens, just as everyone else deserves protection from this madman on the loose. He needs to be caught and quickly.
They have just been saying on the BBC news that police from other forces across the country are being brought in to help. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazell B
One thing that's bugging me - how did the TV cameras get so quickly to the area where the latest bodies were found? From the ITV news just now, it looks like they nearly beat the police to the scene! :s
Sure the TV crews were in the area waiting with baited breath and engines running for such a development.
What bugs me is the knee jerk pulling from the TV schedules of a serious documentary on the realities of the whole prostitution business. It wasn't that silly brothel-set sit com that was on a few months back, but a serious insight from a respected commentator.
What about a fair trial to actually find out if the person's guilty or not? :erm:
I agree that it seems that the media and the police seem to be less worried about this as it's "only" prostitutes who are at risk which I find a little wrong shall we say. Everyone is equal and the fact that they're prostitutes matters little. They're people and they deserve to have their case treated no differently to you or I :)
I have to say my oily blood was at boiling point yesterday as I listened to some of the denegrating remarks levelled at these working girls (not call girls mate. They're something entirely different) by callers to a London phone in programme.
Gawd alone knows what privations and abuse some of these kids went through to force them into this most base of lifestyles.
After all I've never yet heard a little girl announce proudly to her parents when asked about her future ambition "Well mummy I'd like to roam dangerous ill lit streets at the dead of night and in all weathers before selling my arse to a bunch of 2 bob losers who are either too ugly or too socially inept to get a girlfriend" (with the probable exception of Jodie Marsh that is ;) ).
Job for Inspector Morse this one. FACT.
I imagine specialist investigation crews / profilers / you name it, are being brought in from all over the country. After all, every force is going to want to get in on this one! Besides, it's speculated that the killer may well not live locally, he/she may commute along the A14 to commit their crimes :s
Having said that Suffolk police are the best people to head it up, as it is their patch and nobody knows it better than them.
Horrible, worse when it is closer to home.
I hope they catch the people/person responsible quick before anyone else dies
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Originally Posted by LotusElise
I hope the person/persons responsible for these crimes are caught and given the harshest of punishments.
When I first read this thread I couldn't help but think of a similar situation in my own backyard. I'm sure most of you haven't heard of the case here in Vancouver, B.C. involving a local pig farmer named Robert Pickton. He is Canada's worst known serial killer and is currently being held in custody on charges of killing at least 27 young women from the eastside of Vancouver.
The story is long and winding, but basically the remains of these women were found on his pig farm a few years ago. When the story first appeared over the news many people were having gruesome images as to how these women came to rest on the farm. The police conducted a massive excavation of the property and brought in forensic and DNA experts to help with the investigation.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...s20050525.html
They have just finished jury selection as of yesterday I believe, and now we are all waiting to see what comes of the trial.
Sirius
They are going to have to catch him/her soon before this escalates into another Ripper and media frenzy.
Yes. They also need to hope that the killer doesn't move either......
this is a fascinating and very scary case, i hope the murderer (i notice everyone assumes it is a man? it probably is, but still...) is found swiftly and brought to justice, however i fear that may not happen, the perpetrator is obviously picking on protitutes, who are relatively defenceless and find themselves in more dangerous positions than most people, coupled with that there aren't a lot of willing witnesses due to the nature of the people using prostitutes and it seems that the police have very little to go on if the press are to be believed - a few sketchy reports and very little physical evidence.
i hope this can be ended soon and without further loss of life, and moreso hope that the police are closer to a resolution than they seem
Just watching Tania's father on the TV. The man is obviously devastated but made a very brave statement.
Tania's story is a recurring one. Once, she was a happy and loving daughter until drugs took her. From there, it escalated to prostitution and ultimately her death.
My best wishes go out to there poor girls families.
RIP to the five girls and I hope that the killer rests in pieces (Whiskas Oh So Get Revenge On The Sicko Meat made from the murderer's body. I would buy it for my cat too)
I cant help but notice that in your profile you fail to mention your year of birth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain VXR
I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a guesstimate that you are 9 and three quarters.
Eventually. It took five bodies to turn up before an order was made to send in help and not worry about finance. That's about a week after they started to report three girls certainly missing and another one unaccounted for, and the first body turned up, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Yet when a rich woman who's dad was mates with some high ranking police officer was killed down south, along with her toddler, last year it took less than six hours for the same level of effort :mark:
Why are you getting in a tizz about support from other forces? Mutual aid is available at the drop of a hat. There is a database that contains a list of specially trained staff and experts available for Police to call upon whenever they need. There is also mutual aid available in the form of regular officers who can be called to assist with regular duties whilst the local officers are seconded on a major investigation. Suffolk would have taken the steps to ask for assistance as and when they felt it necessary.
Finance can be an issue sometimes - such as the crazy amount of money it cost to police the G8 talks at Gleneagles last year - but money isn't an issue when something like this is concerned. Forces can ask for financial assistance from the government retrospectively. I heard that my own employer is seeking some extra pennies to cover the cost of investigating the worlds biggest cash robbery this year - which is an ongoing major investigation.
So why wasn't outside help brought in faster?
The version I heard (on TV news) was that it wasn't offered, either cash or physical aid from specialists, until just after my first post on the subject. All of a sudden they were reporting how help was now being made available. Up until that point, the Suffolk police were alone.
I don't care who's choice that was, just that it was happening.
Well if what you heard was on TV news- that must be true then.
If there is criticism of Suffolk for not asking for help sooner then it is not fair. They were not to know that they were about to deal with a multiple murder investigation. It is a fairly regular thing for prostitutes and drug addicts to go missing for days at a time. There have been a few instances this week (as recently as today) whereby there has been concern for other missing girls in Ipswich - so far they've all turned up. It would be very unusual to call for help before you actually have it confirmed that you require so many extra resources.
I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this could be a woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
This story has been on our local news since late October when the first girl went missing. Only when the first two girls bodies were found have the national news become interested.
There have been similar cases to this in Norfolk/Sufffolk about 10 years ago some bodies were found some not so it was impossible to link them. Suffolk Police have been liasing with Norfolk Police on this but they want to catch whoever did it first and then they can see if there are any links.
There has been plenty of help how can a force deal with five killings in such quick succession on their own.
I live an hour away and this story has been on my local news since the end of October when the first girl went missing and I can assure you right from the start it was being treated with great concern. The national news have only been reporting on it since the first two bodies were found. Right at the start there was a meeting and it was agreed any help or money would be available. No force would be able to deal with five separate major investigation crimes in one go like this in such a short period of time and they didn't even realise the third girl was missing.
Suffolk have been liaising with Norfolk as about 10 years ago several prostitutes were killed or went missing but they have said the priority is to catch the killer and then see if there are any links. There have even been Officers from Merseyside in Suffolk today reading numberplates so help is here.
Also right from the start there was a local meeting and it was agreed the Police could have all the help and money they required.
As Funks says it is not unusual for someone like this to go missing but when the first girl went missing it was being treated with great concern.
Actually, the day after it kicked off, the top chap from Scotland Yard was already running the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funks
There is no case to accuse the police of not doing everything possible as soon as practical in this case. It is and has been taken very seriously from the first instant.
I think some people are just expecting the police to treat this case differently because the girls are prostitutes instead of some rich person :rolleyes: It's a good thing the police aren't as prejudiced as some others ;)
There's a shock - Knock on adding rolling eyes to his post, along with digs at me. :dozey:
Yes, I know people go missing on a regular basis and that help is now available and being used. However, the second a well conected person or pretty girl is killed help does appear faster and the press fuss is vastly scaled up. This story got minimal attention for quite some time after the girls started to go missing. Their friends and the local police were (and I quote from teletext here) "seriously worried" about the first two reported. It simply wasn't normal for them.
Jeez, all I said was that it took a few days too long to make things start rolling. I've never said the police are doing a bad job once all the teams got going, have I? In fact, I'm 100% sure they're throwing all they can at it. Remember, I was messed about something chronic by a police search only last year, which itself was an utter farce, so I've started to notice just how fast things get moving on some cases rather than others.
What else could have been done ? This was dominating our local news and the Police were doing all they could. We knew the girls' backgrounds good and bad right from the start. The third girl was not even reported missing. And there is also the theory that the fourth and fifth may not have been taken from the streets.
Perhaps when people are being murdered it's not the best time for personal vendetta's to be aired......Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazell B
As a Suffolk born-and-bred and more importanly, a current St Edmundsbury Council Tax payer, I hope that the cost of these extra police won't be passed onto the tax payer as it was last time there was a national outcry (Holly & Jessica's bodies were found in Suffolk woodland, so we stumped up half the cost and my council tax rose the next year by 32%)!
I think more money needs to be put nationally into policing at grass-roots levels and not spent on community bi-sexual logistics and organic velocity monitering managers (or whatever they call themselves). I live in a town of 25,000 and the police station closes at 6pm.
I sincerely hope they catch the person doing this soon as it won't be long before he find hookers too much of an easy target and starts on something which is "more of a challenge", such as a non-hooker.
On a different note though, it's nice to see Portman Road featured on the news without the voiceover starting with the words, "Ipswich Town threw away a..."
You think it closing at 6pm is bad.....Wymondham Police station which is also Norfolk Police Headquaters isn't even open on a saturday :s
But the biggest crime that goes on in Wymondham is incest, and considering that the entire population of the town use horse and cart to get around, even if there is a crime committed on Saturday morning, the culprit can be picked up no further than Spooner Row on the monday morning.
Ermm.....where exactly has that comment come from :s You even been to the place...... Back on topic
Well, considering that my Aunt and cousins (before flying the nest etc.) have lived on Norwich Road for the past 25 years, I've been there one or two times. I even used to watch Wymondham play home games with my Uncle.
Back on topic though... If the three police forces had merged, as they wanted them to earlier in the year, it would have probably helped in this case.
If my memory serves correctly, at one point Norfolk and Suffolk were quite keen on a merger but when the government started suggesting that Essex and Cambs should be part of it they lost interest. Anyway, fortunately the Home Secretary ballsed the entire merging thing up and so nothing happened.
Flick.. if it all gets too costly, Suffolk will get a rebate I'm sure. Your council tax is safe(ish).
Fingers crossed all this information that has come in over the last week is getting them somewhere.
well Nick I am about 10 miles to the east of you and I was born in Ipswich and know the place well. It's sickening to think that some person is going around doing this but hopefully the police are closing in on him as I write.
You have to wonder what drives a person like this, have they finished, or will they be more. If they have developed a taste for it then will they move onto somewhere else or will they go for anyone.
I think that the killings were not just random urges, they must have planned this very carefully. Everyone is waiting to see what happens next.
I wouldn't be surprised if the person who did it had a criminal record for GBH, rape, manslaughter, attempted murder, animal cruelty and assaulting a cop etc
I'm guessing - hoping - that with so much police activity in the area the murderer finds it impossible to continue their work.
Incidentally, did anybody notice the extremely bad taste remark from Oliver Stone on the British Comedy Awards about it being like the days of Jack the Ripper? :s