Nico Rosberg World Champion!
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Nico Rosberg World Champion!
Congratulations!
Congratulations Nico!
Yup, Mercedes managed to sabotage Hamilton enough to finally get their German World Champion throughout the course of the year.
But as I say, Rosberg was always good for a championship so am happy for him but it's sad for the sport that it happened that the best driver didn't win on this occasion.
Oh cmon show a bit of class.. or at least prove Merc sabotaged Lewis if you are going to throw out this accusation.
Congrats!
And remember.... I Predicted it:
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Originally Posted by N. Jones
Well done Nico. Try and ignore the tin foil hat brigade.
Congratulations to Nico ! and the family "well deserved" and thanks to Keke too :)
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Originally Posted by Zico
Well done Nico. Great solid job this season and fully deserved.
Great to see a new Champion
Just seen him talking about how tough that race was for him. Wow.... he earned that 2nd place and championship. Really likeable guy and pleased for him.
Well done Nico, he did just enough for much of the season to put himself in a winning position at the end. At least the pressure is off now and if his performance doesn't improve into next season he can be content with this achievement.
Nice to see both guys getting on again and expressing their respect for each other
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The evidence is there staring you straight in the face. If you brush aside incident after incident and put it down to just racing then that is your choice but, to me, there comes a point where you have to see why is really happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
No driver gets all the reliability issues like Lewis did and his team mate get virtually none. Mercedes management body language towards Lewis in press conferences. From switching mechanics, to coming out with statements like our worst nightmare would be if reliability decided the title, even though, actually, that's what reliability did, RELIABILITY decided the title. It's in front of your eyes, all you have to do is open them and see it. Mercedes wanted their German champ and they got it the only way they could because they knew Nico was not good enough to beat Lewis over the course of a season. Nico won the title the only way Nico could have won the title with Lewis as team mate, with a lot of biased of help from his team.
And to be perfectly frank, it's people like yourself that believe the PR BS they spin which allow them to continue to get away with what they have done this year. Hopefully some day Lewis Hamilton will come out with what real happened this year and because it sure won't be the same as what has been spun to you by Totto. And Thursdays press conference with Nico and him showed that when they were asked about the mechanic switch.
I ran the math for you a couple of weeks ago and proved you wrong. It's OK to be annoyed that your driver didn't really win the championship, but at least I'd appreciate it if you would stop throwing your toys out of the pram and making baseless accusations. It's not fair nor respectful to those of us who believe that Rosberg is a fine champion who's earned a deserved WDC by having done a better job than his teammate.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Eh, you didn't prove me wrong in anything. I have a vague recollection of you proving you were gullible and believed any PR that was spun your way but other than that I don't believe you proved anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
And I'd also appreciate it if you could open your eyes to the obvious and that is that Mercedes favored Rosberg. I know you like to believe that there is nothing but good will in life but sometimes there is more to the story and this is certainly one of those times.
As for me, I think Rosberg deserves a championship, but I also find it insulting to the and that Mercedes are getting away with what they have done this year. My issue isn't with Rosberg here, it is with Mercedes for how they have treated the general public like idiots and got away with it.
http://www.motorsportforums.com/show...=1#post1108798 and the one two posts below.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Congrats to the WDC Nico, you deserved it!
Getting on? Did you see the footage from the anteroom before the podium? They weren't even looking at each other, with Hamilton starring at the timing monitor as if he was learning the last lap times of every driver by heart down to the last decimal. DC basically forced them to acknowledge each other during the podium interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I can't believe the toy throwing going on. Drivers have reliability issues and sometimes it's decided championships. Since every round was included in the championship in 1989? Reliability causes problems. Deal with it.
I probably just wanted Hamilton to win pre season but Rosberg has been brilliant in consistence and deserves his titles.
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I really don't understand how you can honestly say Nico has done a 'better' job than Hamilton this season? He's won less races and been completely outclassed for most of the season. He benefitted hugely by mechanical failures on Hamilton's car and held onto second spot consistently to maintain the advantage. That's not really doing a better job but being the best of the rest while riding a wave of luck. Well done to him for winning a world championship, but he's ended the season on track where he's been for most of it, in second place.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
I was talking more about the interview pre race where they were reminiscing about their childhood years and admitting they get on well despite difficult moments.Quote:
Originally Posted by gm99
There have been many occasions where people felt the best driver lost the championship, people have come up with various reasons why and whether it is to make themselves feel better or to justify their favourite drivers efforts, is part of the game. However, you can only drive based on the points system in place and that is what Nico has done, he didn't have to go all out to win the final races and if you want to win a championship you have to see the bigger picture. Hamilton has been faster and I imagine those botched starts will appear more important now but Nico did what was required and kept his cool and walks away a deserving champion.
I haven't shared my opinion to make myself feel better. I'm a fair weather Formula 1 fan who watches possibly less than a third of a season live these days. I've supported Lewis historically but am happy he's finished the season the way he did. On top, dominant and a multiple world champion who will need to carry his momentum into next season and hope the team give him better reliability in 2017. Finishing the season 5 points adrift of his world champion teammate despite finishing 3 less races is no mean feat. I don't need to state that to feel better, just be happy he's performed so well over the entire season bar 1 race where he underperformed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greasy
You're right Nico kept his cool and did just enough, nothing spectacular or brave, just enough to maintain the advantage he was given. Like his father he wins the ultimate prize, just. Well done Nico :)
My post wasn't aimed at you but yes I'm glad there was some sort of fight today, as for 'just' why risk more than required?
The sensible thing was what Nico did and just kept out of trouble. He's enjoying the champagne based on that and he must be chuffed. The petrol head in me though would have liked him to really put himself in the fire and recover from being the number two driver that got lucky. It reminds me very much of Buttons WDC where he sat back and did just enough but will never be remembered as one of the dominant champions in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greasy
I just hope both are fired up next season and we can see good reliability and a close fight like we've seen in previous years. I enjoyed today's race and I just wish Hamilton had backed him up earlier in the race and give Nico some work to do and is some excitement.
Oh yes, I had meant to get back to that post and forgot. A 22.7% chance is too unlikely for it to be coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Plus you haven't taken into account the probability of all these happening at critical points in the weekend where they can inflict point scoring damage. For example, Nico lost 3 points on reliability. Hamilton lost at least 40 I think it would be fair to say, and that's being conservative.
Nico had some issues in Free practices, never in a race or critical juncture of a weekend where it cost him points barring Silverstone. Factor that into your math!
I think we should not spoil this day for Rosberg. It is a Rosberg day, the day he joins an exclusive club of F1 world champions. He worked extremely hard, we have to say it was not easy for him to beat Hamilton even with the problems that Hamilton had. Hence Rosberg had to up his game to ensure that he was making the most of opportunities that presented themselves and ensure that he recovered when things did not quite go well for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
He drove like a world champion since the last three races of 2015 and showed his determination to win the title. Now he has done it, l think we should be happy for him.
CONGRATULATION NICO ROSBERG F1 DRIVER CHAMPION OF 2016.
10 wins, 2 2nds and only two retirements, is hardly sabotage. The statistics prove very much otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
I'm calling Shenanigans on you. Shenanigans Shenanigans!
Dull...I really hope somebody..anybody can make a better engine next year
What a bunch of rubbish. This is NOT my champion. If you agree with me, let's start organizing protests. It's time to smash some storefronts. The WDC scoring by points wasn't fair to Hamilton. If WDC was decided by a simple number of wins, the Hamilton would have been the champion because he won one whole race more than Rosberg. Besides, Vettel and Ferrari are already talking about demanding the WDC points recount because Rosberg may have earned some points by cheating in some of the races.
People are so soft. Hamilton did nothing wrong. He tried what he could but Rosberg was strong enough and won.
He deserves it hands down.
People need to get real about the whole thing. Everything is included in a championship and so most points win.
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1956Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
4 - Moss def.
1 - Hawthorn
1983
4 - Prost def.
3 - Piquet
1987
6 - Mansell def.
3 - Piquet
There's three titles you're willing to dispute.
Plus Felipe would have retired as a former World Champion :DQuote:
Originally Posted by zako85
Add Alan Jones in 1979, almost anybody in 1982, Andretti in 77, Clark in 67...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
No, if we do not look at the last four races, when Rosberg apparently not even tried to win then you can see that Rosberg actually won 8 times against Hamilton 6 .. He clearly is a worthy champion and that some of Hamilton fans have trouble to accept the final result is almost comical. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
A superior work ethic can often overcome a bit of a deficit in natural talent.
Lewis, a couple of years ago you said you would claim Mercedes first title due to the hunger that you had, and Nico lacked because of his silver spoon upbringing. Well, after a couple of titles, you've lost that hunger. You thought you could hang with Justin Bieber during the week and win races on the weekend. After a number of poor starts, you finally realized that you'd have to put in a little more work - but you figured it out 5 points too late. I was hoping you'd pull it off, as I find you the more talented, exciting racer. I hope you give it 100% next year.
This year, work ethic has trumped talent.
Congrats Nico! Your superior commitment and dedication have paid off.
Certainly Nico is a talented driver and his championship should not be tainted.
But he is dirty--far dirtier than Lewis. His history before this season bears this out, but his behavior in Spain and Austria this year show the depths to which he will go to fight back against a driver who is clearly faster. People cast aspersions at Lewis for his driving at Abu Dhabi, but in my view it pales in comparison to Rosberg's tactics.
That's a bizarre assessment I have to say? I haven't seen any evidence of Hamilton's on track performance being compromised this season? In fact I think he's driven his best and Nico couldn't catch him in the latter part of the season. The fact he had to slow down in the last race to fall back with Nico and was 0.5secs a lap faster in Brazil suggests he too would have been a worthy champion. I think over the course of the season he performed better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firstgear
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I am surprised you bothered to respond this bs really. The chap has no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Well, you haven't seen any evidence of his track performance being compromised because you only watched one third (according to yourself) of the season. Go back and watch the earlier races, where he almost consistently turns a pole into a third, fourth of fifth after the first lap because he hasn't figured out how to get his car off the line. Half way through the season he finally put in the work to figure it out. Then, as you say, in the latter part of the season Nico can't keep up with him. If he put in the work earlier, he could've won the WDC.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
bs, eh? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
What did I say that was bs?
Are you saying Lewis didn't say he was hungrier than Nico?
Are you saying Lewis didn't go power surfing with Justin Bieber?
Are you saying Lewis didn't (finally) spend time in the simulator to figure how to fix his poor starts?
Oh - I see what you're saying: Mercedes stole it from Lewis. Ya, I like conspiracy theories too. I just don't buy this one.
If I had time to go back and watch the races with a 5 week old baby at home I would. I've made sure I've read the race reports for the 15 races I've missed and it's rarely shown Hamilton to be poor apart from in Baku. The fact he finished 3 less races than Nico and only finished 5 points behind suggests on its own that he had a better season performance-wise. Had he not retired in just one race he would have tied the championship up by Mexico. That's pretty good going in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firstgear
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