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I'm really upset
Stewards again for Alonso penalty.
Donkey's are obviously Mercedes strategy guys.
What ever that was about.
Also Verstappen if he just misjudged Grosjeans braking.
Oh yer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
This too. Joke for his penalty and even more joke for not penalizing Ricciardo.
I think Mercedes' mistake is going to be the main talking point for the next few weeks and it's going to cloud the fact that the stewards have been horribly inconsistent and it's something they need to look on for the next few races. First they give a penalty to Alonso for what was pretty much a racing incident in which he was side by side with Huelkenberg (in fact, Alo said that he would have expected Nico to be penalized). And then Ricciardo punts Kimi when he was clearly behind him and gets no penalty whatsoever. Just try to imagine this kind of thing happening on a battle for the win and try to imagine the reactions in this forum.
I agree fully N4D13
I am old school and would actually not give a penalty for either, but without doubt if you give Alonso one (crazy) then Danny boy needs a more severe one.
No one will look at it. This happens every few races and it seems like it will keep happening. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
True. In my case it was only easier to notice because this and of course Mercedes' strategy are the only things that happened at all during the race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
I have the feeling that Mercedes GP did this "error" in purpose. Some shenanigans that are occult to us were enforced by their decision.
Are you DJ's Lewis-loving-alter-ego? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mekola
My Podium
1.Toto Wolff for seeming to suggest it was Hamilton's fault! WTF!
I've never trusted that guy, and he has the most appropriate surname going.
2.Stewards
3.Williams - Scored no points while McLaren did. Thanks for doing a McLaren on me in FGP guys!
I will let Verstappen off as this is the first foot he's put wrong I can see, while Sato and Maldonado have been allowed to stick around for years.
Grosjean clearly brake checked him!Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbetty
I haven't seen dj for a while come to think of it. Wonder if he's ok and that. I miss his fights with Garry Walker - pure popcorn material :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Koz
Daniel R. and the stewards, he deserved a punishment for that move on Kimi.
There can be only donkey this race - Mercedes. What a monumental fuck up!
Maldonado doesn't get the donkey award for once.
Imagine if they were the same guy just arguing amongst himself :rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbetty
Inexplicable, and completely irrational move by Mercedes. This is much more of a travesty than what happened in last years race. What in the freakin' $#^%$%^^ was Hamilton's engineer thinking?
As for the penalties; in the end it didn't make any difference for Fred, but it did for Kimi, I wonder which race the stewards were actually watching. Fred bumps a car in a clusterf*** that is the first turn at Monaco, and Danny boy did the same thing only more egregiously (further back) and gets a free pass? I guess it was because Fred's contact caused an accident and Danny's didn't, go figure?? :confused:
I am flabbergasted at Mercedes. EVEN I know, as an armchair fan, that Monaco is about track position, not tyres. Especially in a car as dominant as the Merc and especially with only ten laps remaining. Who did they think was going to overtake Lewis once the safety car pulled in? Is it possible this is an error? This will screw with Lewis' mind imo. He will be thinking the last two Monaco GPs should have been mine mine mine and I've been cheated. Can he overcome this like last year or will he implode I wonder?
It was almost a copy of the Alonso thing so yea !Quote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
as for Merc, do we need a donkey of the race thread this time? Nope.
One circuit you don't change tyres for a late sprint at is Monaco.
Hamilton actually said, he saw on a big screen the Mercedes pit crew out in the pitlane and assumed the others had pitted or would pit so didn't argue when he was called in.
Mistakes all round
Nope. Thats why we have a Mercedes strategy of the race thread :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Storm
Be careful what you wish for, dj chirped in last race, he'll be here directly :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbetty
Mercedes screwed the pooch at this race.
:hot: :fasttalk: :hmh: :hmph: :\\
If that wasn't the mother (and father) of all f### ups, I don't know what is.
Looks like season interest management to me. Any coincidence they pull this stunt once they have successfully locked LH in for 3 years?
Easiest decision of the year, what a stuff up.
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At least two people have said that this might have been a deliberate call by Mercedes, so I'll just say this. I think these suggestions are absolutely ridiculous - this kind of call takes the light out of Mercedes winning races comfortably ahead of the opposition and makes them look like complete clowns, even if the fact remains they still had the fastest car and they put both cars on the podium. No one with a remotely sane state of mind would ever make this call when your employer also happens to sell road cars and relies on winning F1 races for advertising.
:stareup: I'm going on record here and saying that I was just clowning around.....it's fun. :kiss: ;)
I agree N4D13
Some people completely over react and have Flavio in their minds at all times.
It was a terrible mistake and call and the team will have hell over the next week or so.
Lewis and his fans need to accept stuff happens in sport and thats why we watch it. I am a Hammy fan but just accept he deserved the win, but didn't get it. He is more than quick enough to win many more races and the championship.
Really no need for the thread to determine the real donkey. It's all about the runner up donkeys at this point!
The penalty on Alonso was a joke. The bump Ricciardo made on Kimi was forced by Ricciardo and didn't get a penalty. From the shots I saw Fred had nowhere else to go and barely got loose, and he got nailed for it.
What happened with RB making Ricciardo give the position back to Kvyat? Did Daniel bump both cars the way he hit Kimi?
I agree Daniel should have had a penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
The team ordered Kyvat to let the faster tyred Ricciardo past into 4th and try and get onto the podium. When he couldn't he let Kyvat back past on the last lap. :)
Since this isn't the first time that Mercedes' superior car & engine combo hasn't been able to overcome some foolishness within the AMG team... Mercedes replaced Ross Brawn with the little dog from the Wizard of Oz why exactly??? I wonder if Dieter Zetsche is asking that question right now?
Got to add to my last post after re watching the Max and Grosjean crash. I'm going to nominate Grosjean for donkey number two of the race for clearly brake testing Max. It's not a road car where if you're the guy behind you defacto at fault. It's clear from the video that Grosjean braked too early and that's what caused the crash. I don't blame Max for that one. Another bad decision by the Stewards.
It's a real pity that the Stewards side with what the public really expect to happen versus what actually does. The data will show Grosjean braking earlier and it's also visually clear.
I thought that from the start.
Grosjean seemed to slow way before the corner.
Only the Manors were braking that early.
By the way, with all the fuss about Merc's strategy and the stewards' questionable decisionmaking, no one has mentioned Toro Rosso's disastrous pitstop.
big donkey goes to the German TV biased coverage... Alonso well deserved it (against our poor hulk ;)), but Ric vs Kimi was "meh, these things happen in Monaco when you've nowhere to go"...Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
And I thought Spanish TV were bad, but these were unbelievable! :laugh:
The stewards really sucked this race, big surprise. As I said earlier I think Freddy got a penalty for being responsible for an accident, but unless they saw something that I didn't it is a fairly retarded call to make for a first turn of the race incident in the middle of the pack. It is annoying to me, not because it was Fred, but because they are trying to discourage bold maneuvers on a track like Monaco. It reminds me of a race I rewatched a while back, and I don't recall which one it was precisely, but it was very early in Fernando's carrer. I believe it was 2003 or 2004, and it was early in the season. Fred did what Renault did very well back when launch control was abolished, he got a cracking start, and a very bold one, something that he along with a couple other guys in the current field have done very well throughout their careers, and I remember Martin Brundle commenting that that kind of risk taking is irresponsible, and something he needs to get over or he won't last in F1 or something to that effect. Boy did Brundle dial a wrong number on that one. At any rate the penalty was a minor one and if he had been able to finnish the race all it would have done was cause him one position, and a chance to maybe fight for one more. It certainly wasn't Hulk's fault, and he ended up going to the back of the field. I think this was a consideration by the stewards, and it really shouldn't be. It was simply a first lap first corner racing incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Would have been a fun atmosphere at Mercedes afterwards. Hamiltwat, sulks like a toddler any time he doen't win, so this would have been priceless.
Unlike Brittany, I guess he's just not used to it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield5