JWRC 2014

We hear talk about that JWRC will move from using R2 cars to R3!
That will effectivly kill off WRC-3, and make R2 a class made for regional series.

If the total package price for a JWRC seson will stay the same, or even decrease for 14 this move will become a winner for the World Championship, if total cost for a full season will go dramatically up, this will not fly in my opinion.
We are talking junior drivers, normally with limited market value (yet).

What does FIA need to do to make the JWRC blossom?

Yes I just read an article with Mahonen's quote. These words for "more powerful machinery" is just demagogy, trying to mask the truth that they move to R3 simply because citroen has car in this class. Nothing sporty in this move, only politics/business - there are good money coming from this and other people also want it.

DS3 R3T isn't exactly cheap car to run. But we don't know the conditions. Will all cars be again prepared by one team? Anyway I can't imagine it would be cheaper series with reasonably more expensive cars.

Great to my opinion if FIA takes DS3 R3T for JWRC :bounce:

Official today wednesday apparently, DS3 R3s for the JWRC(also counting for WRC3) ;)

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Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

Official today wednesday apparently, DS3 R3s for the JWRC(also counting for WRC3) ;)

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There were no other chance than take DS3 R3T...

Now what happens to the Polish M-Sport division?

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Originally Posted by Juha_Koo

Now what happens to the Polish M-Sport division?

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I expect an influx of skilled motor technicians to the UK ;)

Did Citroen say that they would be involved in JWRC 2014?

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Originally Posted by Juha_Koo

Now what happens to the Polish M-Sport division?

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Recently Kajetan Kajetanowicz entered ERC opener Jänner Rallye with M-Sport Poland prepared Fiesta R5.

So, any news regarding JWRC for next season?
Which rallies will count for it? Will they use Citroen DS3 R3T of Ford Fiesta R2?

DS3R3T will be for JWRC

It is confirmed it will be R3 car, so there is actually no other chance than Citroen DS3 R3T.

I get the feeling that's a political move by Citroen. The "Citroen Top Driver" trophy felt a lot like their answer to the JWRC using Fiestas. I think Citroen know they missed the boat on driver support programmes, and know they mismanaged Ogier and Neuville, and know they need some way of getting hold of new talent, and so lobbied for the JWRC to use the DS3.

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

I think Citroen know they missed the boat on driver support programmes.

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Citroen is only one, whose driver support programmes is giving WRC drivers...

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Originally Posted by PLuto

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

I think Citroen know they missed the boat on driver support programmes.

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Citroen is only one, whose driver support programmes is giving WRC drivers...

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really ?? elfyn evans ???

tidemand in fiesta r5 from jwrc prize

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Originally Posted by PLuto

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

I think Citroen know they missed the boat on driver support programmes.

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Citroen is only one, whose driver support programmes is giving WRC drivers...

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really ?? elfyn evans ???

tidemand in fiesta r5 from jwrc prize

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Evans and Tidemand are not result of driver support programmes, they only won the starts in R5 as prize in some championship.

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

I think Citroen know they missed the boat on driver support programmes.

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Citroen is only one, whose driver support programmes is giving WRC drivers...

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That's as may be, but they have already said they are scaling back their WRC team to focus on the WTCC. At the same time, they are expanding their operations in the JWRC. It might be cheaper to prepare the DS3 R3s, but they would not be doing this if they weren't getting something out of it. Given that their most successful graduate from the programme went on to win a World Championship for another manufacturer (and they lost another to Hyundai), it is understandable that they want to get ahead of the curve and pick up young talent early.

I think Citroen's future in a post-Loeb universe hinges on their finding unpolished drivers that they can smooth out into gems. Loeb's team-mates were either strong mid-pack drivers who could score points for the team, but unable to mount a title challenge of their own; or strong drivers who could potentially take over from Loeb when he retired, but were driven away by mismanagement. So they need to find someone they can mold into a world-class driver and prove that they can win in a WRC without Loeb. Backing the JWRC gives them the means to do that.

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

That's as may be, but they have already said they are scaling back their WRC team to focus on the WTCC. At the same time, they are expanding their operations in the JWRC. It might be cheaper to prepare the DS3 R3s, but they would not be doing this if they weren't getting something out of it. Given that their most successful graduate from the programme went on to win a World Championship for another manufacturer (and they lost another to Hyundai), it is understandable that they want to get ahead of the curve and pick up young talent early.

I think Citroen's future in a post-Loeb universe hinges on their finding unpolished drivers that they can smooth out into gems. Loeb's team-mates were either strong mid-pack drivers who could score points for the team, but unable to mount a title challenge of their own; or strong drivers who could potentially take over from Loeb when he retired, but were driven away by mismanagement. So they need to find someone they can mold into a world-class driver and prove that they can win in a WRC without Loeb. Backing the JWRC gives them the means to do that.

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Citroën is leaving WRC, they need to develop drivers for longer future...

Then why suddenly start supporting the JWRC? What can their driver development programme do that others cannot? The would not be spending all of that money building and maintaining DS3 R3s simply for the sake of developing drivers for the sport. M-Sport and Ford could have done that with Fiesta R2s.

I wouldn't be surprised if all the manufacturers withdraw and instead build cars to sell to private teams in the event R5 replaces the WRC class.

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

Then why suddenly start supporting the JWRC? What can their driver development programme do that others cannot? The would not be spending all of that money building and maintaining DS3 R3s simply for the sake of developing drivers for the sport. M-Sport and Ford could have done that with Fiesta R2s.

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They are supporting JWRC because they wanted to continue with scheme of Citroen Top Drivers and JWRC is good idea. And they alse wanted to put M-Sport out of JWRC ;-)

http://www.fia.com/fia-junior-wrc-championship-1
Official. Citroen DS3 R3T

How on earth did you find that? I just went looking through the site, trying to find news on an unrelated subject, but they only have stuff from the FIA Gala as their most recent stories, even under the WRC heading.

Dutch talent Mats vd Brand will do JWRC with a DS3 R3t. 2 Years ago I think he only did short rallies in Holland, Last year he did 350z cup and some other rallies also in Belgium. So a big step up for him!

Boss of Even Management, Erik Veiby wasn't very impressed i saw on twitter, budget will now be minimum 50% more than last year to do a full season. I guess M-Sport and Citroen were in a bidding round, i wonder how Citroen managed to win that…

Let´s hope that MW is innovative enough to start up any kind of youngster cup in contrary to the new JWRC cup. New JWRC looks like bribes to me... :angryfire

Can't understand this decision, well I can, but I won't say what I really think. Makes no sense. FiA strikes again.

What will a season in JWRC be in 2014, compared to the R2 option of 13?

Maybe this will be the chance for the ERC Junior Cup, if the price is too high?

Lots of secret handshakes going on in Paris recently then.

Stupid decision to change the JWRC so late and to a championship that is double the cost! I have already seen on British Rally Forum that one crew from Canada have had to pull their entry.

This is the price of having two competing championships, with newly appointed promoters, all fighting for the same competitors to be part of the their championship.

The ERC would struggle to attract competitors for Eurosport's Junior Series if the WRC was using the same cars, for the same or better price with a more global platform and the attention of WRC teams watching you.

Seems Eurosport won this one with the FIA, and the WRC will be left to pay the bill.....

I heard rumours at the start of the year it was going to switch to DS3's, so to say it was either JERC or JWRC in R2's is rubbish

It's not rubbish, it's just a fact. The FIA would not allow two Junior Series to run with R2's.

The expensive option was imposed on the WRC.

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Originally Posted by rallyfiend

It's not rubbish, it's just a fact. The FIA would not allow two Junior Series to run with R2's.

The expensive option was imposed on the WRC.

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Come on, do You really believe FIA would do anything damaging WRC to help ERC? No way. That never happened and will never happen. WRC is the important championship for them. The fact they switched to DS3 R3 has probably more to do with PSA politics and the large number of Citroën trophy drivers in WRC 2013.

Besides that Your opinion is not fact. Fact is something absolutely clear without any doubts. This is not the case.

Fact is that Eurosport since the creation of IRC series always presented much more competitor friendly rules than FIA championships.

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Originally Posted by Sulland

What will a season in JWRC be in 2014, compared to the R2 option of 13?

Maybe this will be the chance for the ERC Junior Cup, if the price is too high?

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The price in 2012 was 119 000€ not quite sure if that stayed the same for 13. Will it get close to 200 000 in 14 with the carprice for a customer the double btw the Fiesta and the DS3.

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Originally Posted by rallyfiend

It's not rubbish, it's just a fact. The FIA would not allow two Junior Series to run with R2's.

The expensive option was imposed on the WRC.

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Come on, do You really believe FIA would do anything damaging WRC to help ERC? No way. That never happened and will never happen. WRC is the important championship for them. The fact they switched to DS3 R3 has probably more to do with PSA politics and the large number of Citroën trophy drivers in WRC 2013.

Besides that Your opinion is not fact. Fact is something absolutely clear without any doubts. This is not the case.

Fact is that Eurosport since the creation of IRC series always presented much more competitor friendly rules than FIA championships.

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Let me rephrase - I'm EXTREMELY certain - that this is the rationale behind the move to R3 for WRC level Junior series. And it will likely come out from the FIA that this is the reason.

I also understand that this new Junior series has no involvement of the WRC promoter, so no TV exposure can be assumed....

These are tough conditions in which to find an extra 100 grand...

Note the return of Michelin in JWRC too ;)

By the way, I think spanish driver Yerai Llemes wants to run JWRC 2014 too :confused:

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Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

Note the return of Michelin in JWRC too ;)

By the way, I think spanish driver Yerai Llemes wants to run JWRC 2014 too :confused:

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Is Lemes going to keep competing in the 'youth' category until he's 44, because every year it seems he finds someone new is faster.

We just have to wait and see the number of teams signing up to J-WRC and ERC-J, and take the season from there.
But it might look like the price diff will be the most important factor for many teams.

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Originally Posted by Sulland

We just have to wait and see the number of teams signing up to J-WRC and ERC-J, and take the season from there.
But it might look like the price diff will be the most important factor for many teams.

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In JWRC I know about three crews, but I am not interested in this championship so I am not so in regarding to informations. In ERC-J I expect around 15-20 crews.

Koci for JWrC ?