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Wrc Rallye de France-Alsace 2013
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Road program is out
Wrc Rallye de France-Alsace 2013
Power stage in the city... :(
Political power stage... They pass some 50m from the European Parliament. If you go there, You can see the cars, and that's it, nothing special to see...
Really hoping to be able to make the trip over to see king Loebs last WRC outing. Might make it part of one big european road trip :)
It's strange that they would make the first stage of thhe rally the Power Stage. Especially since the final stage of the rally is a super-special in Haguenau, and has apparently been chosen so that Sebastien Loeb's final rally ends in his hometown. It wouldn't surprise me if the finish line is right outside the house where he grew up, or the start of the first stage of the very first local rally that he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
It's a shame he wasn't born in Bastelica or Acqua Doria, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
update with timetable now Wrc Rallye de France-Alsace 2013 ;)
Are there any plans post Loeb's retirement to go back to Corsica?
Everything already booked! The last battle won't disappoint. Less than two months left! :bounce:
Let's see how Seb O and the Polo go on the black stuff in Germany. It may be a dog on dry fast ashphalt so no contest in France if that's the case ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
Come on, you know it isn't... Also the first tests of the car were on tarmac if I'm correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Indeed, I suspect it will raise the bar again for tarmac handling :) I was looking at last year's. Deutschland thread last night and had to laugh when I read NOT's opinion that the Polo wouldn't be competitive 'out of the box'. I might start a thread on inaccurate predictions from past threads. However I think I might be a principal contributor ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
these were the exact words from the god himself...
"The big question is how competitive the Polo will be... I doubt they are going to be at Citroens and Fords standards straight out of the box, although something like that would be very good for the championship."
and that was before the collapse of everything at citroen and ford.... so please get your facts straight... do not just post inaccurate things.... especially when a member is banned and cannot defend himself... or if you cannot do that go create another pickem thread.
He's back.
Hey NOT, hope you're well.
:D Don't dissemble. You have much to say for a defenceless ,banned lurker - welcome sir ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
I am not back... but i cannot let things float when they are not true.
We will see a nice battle in France. 2 Sebs, Latvala, Neuville and Sordo fighting for the victory!
Corrected that for you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by euskalteam
:laugh: :rotflmao:
Good one! But I hope now Sordo without the pressure of having to score point for manufacturers in France can do something more!
Different pressure, the unspoken team order that you aren't allowed to challenge Couilles d'or ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by euskalteam
last weekend you saw that this ''unspoken team order'' exists?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
i didn t .
You misunderstand - Of course there were no team orders last weekend, the mice are allowed to play so long as the cat isn't in the house. The atmosphere in the Citroen team will be entirely ( even unintentionally ) different when Golden Balls is making his grand exitQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
mices not allowed?.... Does somebody didnt allowed Mikko and Sordo to win this year?
Maybe you want to say ''Loeb is lucky'' but you cant find the way to express it?
Sordo and Mikko just they can t drive fast.Thats all,without hiding between words.
To be explicitQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
a) Loeb is brilliant, not just in car control but also the psychology of winning
b) Those who suffer most from this psychological stress are his team mates. They see the love the team lavish on the leader and long for that feeling. Sorry, there can be only one.
c) All season the team has just been waiting for 'how it used to be when SL was there all the time.
d) Sordo was suddenly faced with a 'perform or you'll be replaced' situation and was finally jerked out of the cycle. Mikko definitely hasn't. Australia is his equivalent rally.
e) The mice are lab mice they have conditioned themselves because they don't want to be in the situation that Ogier was in - absence of love is better than hate.
f) Clearly Sordo and Hirvonen are quick drivers but they have been / are losing their internal battles
yes you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Mikkos and Danis perormance this year(and previous years too) showed why there is only one.They just can t do the job,with an excellent car,and a winning team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
cant understant exactly what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
what do you suggest,to wait one more year for Mikko to be faster from Neuville at gravel,or to wait more for Sordo(the tarmac specialist) to find his speed at asphalt against Latvala,Ogier,and to be faster than 6th at gravel rallies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
no they haven t conditioned themselves to laborattory mices because of that reason.Mikko has became slow even inside his home,and Dani hasnt good the speed at all at gravel,and at asphalt is not the fastst driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
if you loose your internal battle,figure out about the external battles..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Hirvonen was faster with Ford, still not enough for winning pace, but faster. May be he has problem to adapt to DS3 or the team, for sure there is some. It is strange he looked faster last year when Loeb was in the neighborhood. Probably he hoped this year to be easy title for him as VW were only newcomers, may be it's psychological. Other strange thing I find is Loeb decided to drive in Sweden & Argentina. Clearly Hirvonen's best performances last year imho.
The pain Loeb sustained on every sick dog of rallying either he is a driver or a fan will stay here for long long time... He gave such a brutal beating to all the doubters all these years that he sent them to live in star trek land and imagine things like team favoiuritism and other fantasy star wars stuff...
The pain little doggies will never go away...get used to it....
Amen. One Rally to go :)
Or maybe VW have a faster car, thus the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
This is very likely, but still when in Ford everybody used to say Citroen was faster, nevertheless he achieved some nice results back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by kober
PS: But I forget Loeb in this equation :D
That's Star Wars, he said Star Trek! (Funny though !)Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
VW and Ogier cannot be touched... It is the best car and by far the best driver at the moment, plus they have Latvala to help them with the budget
the disappointing thing is that Citroen have 2 very experienced drivers and they struggle to keep up with the ford duo. Neuville is a very nice surprise i must say... i did not expect him to adapt from the class B-C drivers of the IRC/ERC to WRC that fast....so it is nice.
Citroen cannot expect to be competitive without spending money... and i cannot see this happening this or the next year with their stupid dead WTCC program. So the situation will be very easy for Ogier in the next 2-3 years. We have to wait for Hyundai and also to see if Subaru and Toyota rumours (for the last 5 years) are true... and if Peugeot want a dynamic comeback.
Until the above happen do not expect to see any other champion than Ogier... So all the little girls and kitties in here start preparing your low life existence to hate on him for the next few years for destroying the sport and the other funny stuff you used to diminish Loebs legend all these years...
Now back to france...
Yes, Ogier will be next Loeb who will "destroy" WRC. Even with more competition from Hyunday, possibly others, I don't think anyone will get near his/VW level next 2-3 years perhaps at least
Reduce fiction re malaka. Too much Star Trek.Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
They already did touch them.
Both.
At once.
Last week.
Rally Germany.
and you are forgetting one thing. loeb was winning from the front of the grid in Gravel rallies.. that was not an easy.. he surely is a master. and i think its not about the cars. its the drivers.. citroen were lucky to find good drivers. ogier, neuville all come from citroen.VW are not untouchable i can tell you that.. life is easy at the moment for Ogier. we will see how a master he is to start from the front. cleaning for othere. and end up winning. that is not easy.
Ogier won in 2011 in portugal from the front... the speed is there for sure, but he is not as tidy as Loeb. Only he could achieve that level of perfection and that is the reason he dominated the way he did...Quote:
Originally Posted by andyone
Loeb was not as tidy aswell in the first couple of years, we all remember aswell that Loeb had a few Achilles heels in the early years. He took way too much time to be able to fight in the front in rally's like Finland and Japan, something Ogier seems to have mastered from the beggining, it's all about the learning curve.Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT