Pirelli will be bringing the same yellow branded soft “primes” and red branded super soft “options” My guess is we are looking at a two stopper!
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Pirelli will be bringing the same yellow branded soft “primes” and red branded super soft “options” My guess is we are looking at a two stopper!
I would think a two stopper would be the norm, but I think we have seen single stop strategies from some teams in recent years. Combined with "maybe rain" situations such as Monaco it could lead more teams to single stop.
I usually enjoy the Canadian race, even if there isn't a great deal of passing as a norm.
Montreal is normally much harder on the tyres than Monaco so I would think 2 stops would be minimum with 3 more likely.
Lotus and Mercedes should be strong in qualifying as they are quite quick in a straight line but I think this one might be a Red Bull vs McLaren affair in the race. I don't expect Ferrari to be that strong unless the planned updates work very well.
I hope for many stops and a thriller like in Spain, not another procession. But if the tires are strong enough for one stop, the race I think will be very boring.
Hopefully the race matches the drama of last year! :)
I liked the idea of having a dinner break in the middle of the race, I hope they keep that in for this year too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake Stephens
Hopefully I won't be wrong but long straights plus DRS means overtaking should be a bit easier than average so teams will be able to go more aggressive on tyres so 2-3 stops. Might mean some drivers opt out of Q3.
Also a chance there will be some rain over the GP weekend, but we can't expect a repeat of last year's rain and drama....................can we????
WT
I hope that the race will be 2 hours and will not end in some ungodly hour...
Regarding the possible disruption by the disgruntled students , they have made an offer of terms to settle the dispute , and we now wait to see if some kind of compromise will be adopted .
Perhaps the pressure put on by naming the weekend as a target has had more effect than in Bahrain .
Naming the weekend as a target is bullying and it is ridiculous.
Posters are up all across Montreal , apparently , advertising where the protestors are to gather , before invading the subway .
It is not looking good .
As far as using the GP weekend to push this agenda , I can sorta see the point behind this , if I'm reading it right .
The students see a large gathering being advertised , for basically frivolous entertainment reasons , when they , themselves are being oppressed by new laws , designed specifically to counter thier own large gatherings , organised behind what they see as essential needs .
This has been a major fluff for the Charest government .
Instead of quelling the protests , the reactionary law change has cemented the wall of linked arms .
They now fight for a principle , rather than just against a fee increase .
They have now announced that they have cancelled the Thursday proceedings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
F1: Canada GP Calls Off Events Amid Security ThreatQuote:
"Considering the various disruption threats made public recently, the free admission and the naturally open character of the open house day revealed some risks that we could not ignore," said promoter Francois Dumontier.
"We wish to express our sincere apologies to the F1 fans and, among them, a good share of our spectators who appreciate this annual gathering with the world championship teams," he added.
Despite the cancellation, Dumontier insisted Montreal is safe for race-goers.
So... let's try to predict anything? :D At least on paper it looks a suitable circuit for Mercedes. McLaren should be competitive as well. On the other hand Lotus and Red Bull seem to be going well in very hot conditions, but Canadian GP is probably not going to be one of these. So it may be a challenging weekend for these teams.
The circuit Gilles Villeneuve is particularly vulnerable to disruption by demonstrators as the majority of spectators arrive by the Metro. From the above posts is appears some sort of disruption is inevitable; let's hope police take a firm stand to ensure those holding tickets can easily gain access to the circuit. Todays cancellation is certain to embolden the protesters.
So that is the new generation of "freedom fighters". Dangerous loonies who ruin the fun of fans and families who wait for this race the whole year. And they are always presented as the good guys! Nauseating.
You do realise that the government has serious issues that need to be sorted out here , don't you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
This marching has been going on for over a month , every day , and even with major events like the GP and the Comedy and Jazz festivals approaching quickly , nothing is sorted .
In fact , the situation is far worse now than ever , with new oppressive laws enacted .
That , Mr. Boat , is what is truly nauseating here .
If Charest fixes the problem today or tomorrow , then Thursday could be back on in a flash .
I hope that happens .
But the organisers have said that they've been working closely with the police on "contingency plans" for weeks , meaning , essentially , that they had little faith that any of this would be over , long ago .
Certainly , with this cancellation , a pall has fallen over the Montreal GP , and it's sad .
But , it's a pawn in a much bigger game .
Who knows , maybe it's check-mate ? And , the government will now back down .
Tickets for the event have been sold, hotel accommodations have been booked. Revenues for local businesses have been planned.
In the event of a cancellation, financial compensation worth millions of $’s will be required for thousands of people, ultimately reimbursed by the taxpayer... the same taxpayer that the “students” are requesting fund their tuitions. I do hope that they realize the shot that they’re potentially taking in the foot... :s
Schmenke"In the event of a cancellation, financial compensation worth millions of $’s will be required for thousands of people, ultimately reimbursed by the taxpayer.."It is only a free pre-race viewing event that has been cancelled; there is no consideration of cancelling any other part of the race meeting. The Canadian Grand Prix wil go ahead whatever demonstrators may do.
The more pit stops the better. But I'm sure saving tyres in qualifying will continue, until officials finally take measures.
I don't think there has ever been a procession at Canada, so no worries there.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Did you know that the Formula 1 Canadian Grand Prix is the third most watched sporting event in the world, after the Super Bowl and the final of the FIFA World Cup?
Didn’t realize that.Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
Undoubtedly facilitated by the time zone favourable to both the Americas and prime-time evening viewing in Europe.
It must 4th because the UEFA Champions League Final gets more viewers than the Super Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
Do you realize how irrational your post is?Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
If it wasn't for some loonies there is a chance that you would still be living in communist Bulgaria and wouldn't even have the right to watch F1!
Nauseating! :rolleyes:
Ioan, you can't seriously compare cyber bullies with people, who were send to concentration camps, I sincerely hope. Besides, you surely realize that the commies were betrayed from within but the modern "capitalists" in Eastern Europe. However, this is a topic for the Chit Chat forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
This issues IMO must be sorted in an election day or with peaceful, legal protests, not with ruining the time of fans and families who have payed for it with hard-earned cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Up until recently , the protests , which consisted of thousands of people peacefully walking along main arteries of the city , whilst shouting slogans and waving banners and signs , were legal .Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Now , at least a portion of the protesting is against that fact that the spontaneous protests are now illegal .
It should have been no surprise that the public would react in this way , given that the students are thousands of sons and daughters of mostly Canadian , many French/Canadian families , who are to foot the bill for the increases .
To not seemed to have listened to the group during protesting that has gone on for over a month , and then to suppress the collective voice has landed the government in a mess .
It is , indeed , sad that a great weekend in a world-class city may be spoiled to an extent , but I think there's perhaps more to it than what's on the surface .
Some in Montreal are now so cynical as to the government stance in all of this , that it is believed that there was no plan to settle the dispute , but rather , to paint the protestors in a bad light by running them into a few of the summer events .
So , yes it sucks , but we are talking about the oppression of free speech .
Blaming the students is a bit too simple .
Errr thats exactly how the whole process started, with legal peaceful protests. Bagwan can correct me on this but it is the government's violent response that has caused an escalation.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Bagwan, is it true that it isn't just students now involved in the movement but people from other walks of life too? Whats the level of local support?
if we've got violent responses to peaceful legal protests, then should we campaigning for the GP to be taken away the same as we did for Bahrain?
I don't know much about the planned protest. I can see their point, but I hope it all gets sorted out.
As for the race - Schumacher. He's got the car, he's got the history of winning there. He's driving on form, perhaps. If he doesn't win, it'll have to be for a good reason, something properly beyond his control.
Um, no Baggie, there has been nothing peaceful about the recent protests in Québec, but I do agree that the students are not to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
The protesters’ spokesman, Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois, is the leader of the high-profile radical provincial student body CLASSE.
At the prompting of Nadeau-Dubois, the protesters have caused public damage from day one, and continue to do so. They demonstrate no sympathy to the local merchants or citizens whose property they destroy.
Protesters show up donned in balaclavas looking for provocation then accuse the police of harassment when arrest attempts are made.
They have recently filed their planned routes in advance with the local authorities only to end up marching in a completely different direction, fluanting the regulations to which they agreed, further instigating confrontation.
Nadeau-Dubois has actively organized picket lines in front of university campuses physically barring students from entering classes.
The government’s proposed tuition increases, the catalyst for the recent “student” protests, are meager. The average tuition increase amounts to less than $265 per year for the next five years.
Please consider that university tuitions in Quebec are the lowest in North America, even with the proposed increases.
I find ironic when I see many protesters taking video footage with their smart phones which cost more than the proposed tuition increases.
The government has increasingly tried to negotiate with the student body in good faith but the leaders of CLASSE continue to reject or ignore any proposed discussions.
No one is “suppressing the collective voice” Baggie. This is utter nonsense. The marches are permitted to continue, however the government has had to pass emergency legislation to try to regulate the activities in attempt to minimize further public damage.
The idea of "suppression of free speech", as you put it Baggie, in the most liberal province in one of the most democratically free countries in the world is laughable.
It's interesting to note that Nadeau-Dubois, who attended private school as a child, received a scholarship grant from the provincial government in 2008 for $20,000 for his university studies. When questioned by the press of the potential contradiction between the receipt of this grant and his recent protests of tuition costs, he declined to comment.
I graduated from university in Quebec and at the time students were well aware, and grateful, for the low tuitions funded by taxpayers. I remember a tuition increase mid-way through my curriculum and although a few grumblings were heard by students, we never thought of protesting with violence in the streets. I’m sure the vast majority of students feel this way today.
Apologies the rant and taking this thread off topic.
Not even comparable Robinho. Don't go there. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
I still think that there are much better ways of making a political stance then spoiling the fun of other people, who, I repeat, are giving their hard earned cash for that one weekend. And unlike the Bahraini, they are not kings and queens..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
You never had to deal the kind of increases that these kids are seeing , but still saw grumblings about increases regardless .Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
And , by the look of it , the vast majority are protesting non-violently .
I'm pretty sure that you are not fully understanding what happened in your country 22 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
It was all about asking for rights and standing up for those rights. This is pretty much the same principle, just applied to another case.
C'mon, is this for real?!Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
How dare people with social request dare to spoil the fun for those who can afford to pay hundreds of dollars for a handful of hours of 'fun'. :s
I'm lost for words when I am trying to express how important is this 'fun' for the future of humanity! :rolleyes:
University tuition in Europe are for mostly for free! Compared to that 265$ more / year , especially when you don't have that money, might be the difference between make or brake for a young person.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
I'll tell you what, I will always support students standing up for their rights because history proves them right and their requests changed the world into a better place. Just think about 1968!
Umm. I don't think it is advisable to start concentrating on political issues here.
Agreed. Again, my apologies.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
I'd be happy to debate further via pm or a separate thread in the CC forum.
Well, my view is the same as with Bahrain. It's got nothing to do with F1 so keep politics out of it.
Looking at the race, it should be a real hum-dinger. Friday looks cold an wet, Saturday a little better and Sunday dry, cloudy and warm. Good luck getting a setup perfected with that lot. Even if the tyres were as predictible as they could be, teams are still going to struggle.
Could be a classic :)
There are at least four different student federations involved here , and the most radical is CLASSE .Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
It is this group that has most of the headlines .
There is a war of words going on right now in the headlines , with some student groups saying the intention is not to disrupt the festivals and events , and the government defiant , not really hearing them , insisting that there will be consequence to disruption .
Even CLASSE has put out word that the only intention is to inform the visitors of thier plight .
And , yes , Bill 78 has caused a lot of ruckus , making the traditional pots and pans clanging by the general population a part of this issue .
These protests have been regularly seeing tens of thousands of people participating .
Add those numbers with the Grand Prix visitors and you have a hell of a logistic problem moving people .
It will be a hell of a sea of people , and I expect , at the very least , to see a lot of red squares , the symbol of the movement , in the crowd .
At worst , the crowd may smell teargas rather than tire smoke .
I am sorry if this is deemed too political , but the reality of this is that it will affect the race , and I expect it to be rather harder to hide the politics of it than it was in Bahrain .