The format is most likely going to be the same because Sundays never brought any revenue for the organizers. AFAIK the 2012 route will be published in the end of February.
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The format is most likely going to be the same because Sundays never brought any revenue for the organizers. AFAIK the 2012 route will be published in the end of February.
Organisers haven't put out any official word, but I guess the basic information will be published in December, at least in past few years they've done so by putting out a newsletter. And by basic information I mean only format of the rally: the day it begins and the day it ends and perhaps if the route will take any particular direction. But like Juha mentioned, for Rally Guide 1 with route info we must way until late February (last Thursday as it have been) or perhaps early March as the rally is ran one week later than previous few years.
This year, like we all know, the rally route took a turn to Southern Finland and even if organisers have officially said it was success financially, I read between the lines that the experiment won't be repeated. This is pure guessing, and I think there might be forum members that already know better. For example Lahti Historic ERC Rally is ran week after Rally Finland and that quite clearly indicates that WRC won't take a turn to Lahti region. If they won't to broaden their route, I think Tampere region would be likely welcomed by fans. Then again, if SS Leustu, SS Surkee, SS Urria or SS Jukojärvi won't run again, hell has frozen over. We'll see.
I hope you´re right about everything you write. I think LAhti this year meant too much driving for spectators (or maybe that´s what they wanted) and it was shown on some of the stages on friday which didnt have so many spectators as was expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
I welcome Tampere as well but have never been on stages west of Orivesi.
Remeber also that they have sacked Ouninpohja more or less since a couple of years so anything could happen? I hope Kai T have something exciting in mind...!
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
Is nothing sacred???
Ouninpohja road (or atleast the beginning of it) has received pretty major overhaul over this period of not being used. Rumours telling that it has gotten slower, old lines which have straightened out because of years of cutting have been restored, etc. So, maybe we'll see Ouninpohja back in 2012... I remember Kai Tarkiainen talking about it before this year's rally in a mysterious way. Then on the other hand, Hassi (parts of Ouninpohja reversed) was a real success this year (althought there were some "issues" too) so it's going to be interesting to see what will happen.
I would love to see stages around Tampere/Pirkanmaa region, lot's of legendary stuff. For example Juupajoki has not been used in a while, one of my favourite Finnish stages. If they really skip Lahti region (which I believe they'll do) it leaves a complete day to be re-planned. As long as they don't get too cautious, I'm totally up for it. Talviainen, Päijälä, Västilä, Parkkola, mmmmm... :)
Not so much about the route next year yet because even the organiser doesn’t know what the route will be.
News from the clerk of the course
Something from last summer.
“Results of the visitor inquiry provided interesting information for the organisers”
In Lahti 30% of the spectators where first-timers vs. 13,5% in Jyväskylä.
In Lahti 23,4% of the spectators where more experienced (more than 4-5 as a spectator) vs. for Jyväskylä 45,9%.
The results of the visitor inquiry
^ I'd love to see the whole inquiry, not just the bits organizers chosen to put out. Those numbers OldF quoted support the on site observations I made.
Yes, it would be nice. If I remember correctly there was also on NORF’s web page an inquiry, a link to AKK’s web page. At least I haven’t seen any results from that inquiry but I don’t visit AKK’s web page so often.
Nothing on the format yet. We'll have to wait...Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Rumours circulating that Ouninpohja would be back for 2012... Well, it's only about two months till the route is published, then we'll know. :)
Nothing. We'll let you know the minute we know.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Hartusvuori and OldF, how did you find the friday's leg last year?
I personally didn't like it. It was a very long day to follow, basicly one way to south with everybody else and a pretty tight schedule if you wanted to see maximum amount of stages :/
We did Hassi, Koukunmaa and Mynnilä. Three stages, some 18 hours and hundreds of kilometres. We didn't want to miss Hassi, and glad we didn't. Koukunmaa was weird experience after all the people in Jyväskylä and Jämsä region, suddenly the atmosphere dropped notably. Also we managed to choose quite a boring place, though after we left some bigger number car crashed... Mynnilä, again a long liason. The place we picked wasn't spectacular but so relaxing, because instead of two-kilometre or so walk from the car, it was 40 metres :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
I'd prefer them to keep in smaller area this year or at least to do the intinerary with more natural flow. Any rumours you've heard of about the route?
We also didn't want to miss Hassi. But unfortunately no-one else didn't want to miss it either so the location we chose was a total chaos :/. After that we also did Mynnilä and Koukunmaa and I could describe them like you did. Because of the lack of time we also settled for pretty boring spectating places. We ended the day in Sysmä, can't remember the stage name but I can remember I wasn't too pleased friday night.
All the rumours I've heard support the fact they are bringing the route to south of Lahti again I'm afraid. I hope they are not.
Mynnilä is near Sysmä.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
If Lahti Historic ERC is ran week after NORF, how that fits into the picture with NORF coming to Lahti? Then again, last year they talked about two-year contract. I too hope they stay away from Lahti. If they choose to go away from Jyväskylä, Tampere region could fit better. Anyway, if the route is planned so that there wouldn't be 100 km between stages, it should be okey.
I have heard some rumours that Jokimaa would have two year contract. That would mean visiting Lahti area.
Personally I think that in today's world a smaller area would work the best. (for rally Finland)
Yeah, I have also heard (very reliable) rumours that part of the Lahti leg will be on the route again this year. To be honest I'm not very exited about it.
For us coming from south it was not so much driving the first day for us but we had to skip Thursday instead. If the Lahti leg were run this year again I would prefer it being on Saturday, on our way home. Lahti leg or not it’s a minimum driving of about 700 km for us.
If you want to go and spectate every day it’s better if the route is in a smaller area and rent a cottage as central as possible. Last year we was moving around with a 30 year old camper car and it was not so nice to travel with a car which the most pleasant travelling speed was sound wise about 80 km/h.
According to this Killeri super-special is back this year -> does it mean that the focus of the route is back to its roots and not towards Lahti, I guess we´ll find out soon.
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I've heard that rally starts from Lahti at thursday. 2-3 stages (Hyväneula?, Jokimaa Superspecial and Mynnilä), then Friday and Saturday around Jyväskylä...
AKK Sports and City of Jyväskylä have made yet again a new 3-year-deal securing that Jyväskylä will be the main host city of the rally in 2012-2014 as well:
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Route for Rally Finland 2012 will be published on Wednesday February 15th.
We wait.....
Most likely start from Lahti on Thursday, one superspecial (Jokimaa) and one proper stage (maybe 2 or 3), then two days in Jyväskylä region. Ouninpohja included with 95% probability.
Only two days and we´ll know the route of NORF 2012!! :bounce:
Two stages in Lahti. SuperSpecial ja on proper stage.
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Possibly some "basic" stages finally in reversed form, or atleast parts of them...
Now that´s a power-stage.
That is one proper Power Stage!Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Neste Oil Ralli 2012 - Route
Wednesday 1.8.
Qualifying Ruuhimäki 4,90 19.30
Thursday 2.8.
Kokoomatauko, Lahti, Satama
30 min 16.00
EK 1 Koukunmaa 13,68 km 17.23
EK 2 Jokimaa 2,00 km 19.00
EK 3 Mynnilä 14,40 km 20.50
Service A 45 min 22.35
Friday 3.8.
Service B 10 min 6.30
EK 4 Urria 12,75 km 7.42
EK 5 Jukojärvi 22,33 km 8.39
Service C 30 min 10.05
EK 6 Mökkiperä 1 11,38 km 11.28
EK 7 Palsankylä 1 13,92 km 12.14
EK 8 Lankamaa 1 23,09 km 13.32
Service D 30 min 14.45
EK 9 Mökkiperä 2 11,38 km 16.08
EK 10 Palsankylä 2 13,92 km 16.54
EK 11 Lankamaa 2 23,09 km 18.12
EK 12 Killeri 20.00
Service E
45 min 20.30
Saturday 4.8.
Servicer F 10 min 7.00
EK 13 Surkee 1 14,90 km 7.56
EK 14 Leustu 1 21,50 km 8.54
Service G 30 min 10.07
EK 15 Surkee 2 14,90 km 11.18
EK 16 Leustu 2 21,50 km 12.16
Service H 30 min 13.29
EK 17 Ouninpohja 1 33,01 km 15.37
EK 18 Ouninpohja 2 (Power Stage) 33,01 km 18.00
Service I 10 min 20.03
Podium Jyväskylä, Paviljonki 21.00
Total SS 302,82 km
Indeed! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Note that stages Leustu and Surkee are being driven in reversed form.
Pretty straight-forward route this year...
Hard earned points from Power Stage, I must salute NORF organisers!
Awesome!!!
When Petter won the stage in 2004 stage length was 33,24 km He sat a time 15:18,5 130.28 km/h
The stage was run again in full length in 2007 now as 33,01 km and I sort of remember they had put chicanes in it?
Anyway , Marcus Gronholm did it in 15:19,8 129.20 km/h
So what will be Powerstage winners time?? :)
I can see some serious traffic jams when everybody is heading to Ouninpohja on Saturday afternoon. But still good to see Ouni is back!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
And when planning, take into consideration that highway E9 is not in use between Jämsä intersections/roundabouts south and north. There's a bridge repair work going on for most of the year and all of the traffic will be detoured through Jämsä city center. It can be a long wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
lets see if Petters record will broke at this famous stage.Hands up for Finn organisers!
Thumbs up you meant! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Indeed, nice that this famous stage is back as a Power Stage!
I remember hearing some stories some year(s) ago that they planned to do some work on the Ouninpohja road, meaning after the work the road would be a bit slower since you couldn´t cut the corners so easily. Don´t know if they have done those modifications but I´d assume so, since the stage is back in the schedule this year.
So it might not be 100% match to the one Petter drove his record in, but hella fast nevertheless. And corners are meant for cutting, no matter what they do with the road.
Good point. The beginning of Ouninpohja was completely renewed in these years when it wasn't driven. Maybe it's a bit slower but I don't think very much...Quote:
Originally Posted by Miika