Unemployed young

Do ALL the young persons claiming unemployment benefits really want to be in employment? On television just now a hotel manager from Bradford,which has a very high youth unemployment rate,was told that 3 persons would be turning up for his advertised vacancy for an apprentice chef .Not one of them turned up for an interview. Reminds me of a story a friend of mine told me,a few years ago,when he needed a parts delivery driver for his Ford dealership.He told the local Job Centre of his vacancy,and they rung to inform him that 8 people would be coming for interviews,and you guess correctly not one turned up.So he rings them,and they make an appointment to send a guy for an interview.The guy turns up,complained about the 8.30am start time,and when asked about why he left his previous driving job,he said his last boss,gave him an order he did not like so "I smacked him in the face" and got sacked.Thank you very much your no good to us either !

When you have welfare as good as certain countries have, the young have no motivation for "dirty" jobs and are probably expecting a nice manager position at once. That is why generous welfare payments need to be dumped at once.

I look after students, who are supposed to be in training during their degrees to become professional Engineers. The number of times that they turn up late for meetings and don't either a) give me advanced warning of their lateness, or b) just don't turn up and don't apologise for their absence, is frightening.

It's not the same as being unemployed and not turning up for a job interview of course, but it implies that there is some form of cultural problem with a younger generation and being responsible for one's own conduct.

Unless something has changed since I was last unemployed if you don't turn up for an interview the job centre has sent you on then you lose your benefits.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

When you have welfare as good as certain countries have, the young have no motivation for "dirty" jobs and are probably expecting a nice manager position at once. That is why generous welfare payments need to be dumped at once.

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I don't think that's the problem — the benefits system is a nightmare to negotiate, and if these people are as lazy as they are made out to be, I don't see how they could summon up the energy to make the effort. Rather, if there is a problem, it is with the individual.

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Originally Posted by Andrewmcm

I look after students, who are supposed to be in training during their degrees to become professional Engineers. The number of times that they turn up late for meetings and don't either a) give me advanced warning of their lateness, or b) just don't turn up and don't apologise for their absence, is frightening.

It's not the same as being unemployed and not turning up for a job interview of course, but it implies that there is some form of cultural problem with a younger generation and being responsible for one's own conduct.

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The same is true in medicine, students just aren't willing to put in the same hours as before and end up on the wards even more inexperienced than they used to be.

Its difficult to tell though whether this is the product of a generational cultural difference or because changes in the training and education system let them 'get away with it'.

Can we have a thread for the employed young? I've been employed since the age of 16 and had time to do college and university.

Me too Been self employed for 50 years,,and now at 70,I find it hard to stop working,so still do a few hours a week otherwise I get bored.How do these people ,who dont work stop the boredom?Because if you are working,and enjoy your work,then you are happy !

No one wants to get their hands dirty or work for their money anymore, especially the youth of today. Everyone wants wants wants but they don't want to earn earn earn it!

Case in point...I was interviewing potential staff for several sales positions in my company and 90% of respondants wanted massive salaries, perks, company cars, no overtime work etc etc that were unrealistic. Now I pay very well and offer bonuses for targets met, but you have to earn it, not demand it, and especially when you are 21 years old and just starting out.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Can we have a thread for the employed young? I've been employed since the age of 16 and had time to do college and university.

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Ditto.

I started mopping floors, as a part time job, in a hospital cafeteria when I was 16. I continued this throughout most of my uni days. I graduated top 3 in my class, got a job and have never been unemployed, even throughout the difficult economic times.
I still have my original government-issued Social Insurance card (SSN to some) issued to me when I was 16.

But I still don't have a company car :( :p :

Perhaps if essential things like;

fuel, mortgages/rent, electricity, gas, public transport etc

weren't all so bloody expensive, wage demands needent be so high.

Unless there is a very real and specific reason why you are genuinely unable to work, then you should not be eligeable for any form of benefit.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Perhaps if essential things like;

fuel, mortgages/rent, electricity, gas, public transport etc

weren't all so bloody expensive, wage demands needent be so high.

Unless there is a very real and specific reason why you are genuinely unable to work, then you should not be eligeable for any form of benefit.

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A very real and specific reason might be 'being unable to find a job'.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

No one wants to get their hands dirty or work for their money anymore, especially the youth of today. Everyone wants wants wants but they don't want to earn earn earn it!

Case in point...I was interviewing potential staff for several sales positions in my company and 90% of respondants wanted massive salaries, perks, company cars, no overtime work etc etc that were unrealistic. Now I pay very well and offer bonuses for targets met, but you have to earn it, not demand it, and especially when you are 21 years old and just starting out.

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A company car! That really is a joke. In fact, I can see little need for company cars at all except in certain circumstances.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

A very real and specific reason might be 'being unable to find a job'.

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I don't buy that. If you have the will, then there are ways and means to get yourself noticed, be seen to be doing the right things etc which will end up getting you in employment - no matter what the job might be.

When my father took early retirement from his job at 55, he found work - whether it be washing up, working at a dairy etc.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

A very real and specific reason might be 'being unable to find a job'.

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They are clearly not looking very hard.

Are they unable to work? If not, then tough. If there are no handouts, folk'll soon get off their backsides........

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

They are clearly not looking very hard.

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An easy statement for someone to make looking in from the sidelines, I think.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

An easy statement for someone to make looking in from the sidelines, I think.

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When the alternative is to kick back and live off very generous benefits, where does the incentive to look for work - any work - come from?

The benefit system is all to cock, problem is, these benefit sapping wallahs have a big voice cos there are so many of them, and they vote too......

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

An easy statement for someone to make looking in from the sidelines, I think.

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Take Jamie Oliver's example - recruiting for trainees. Only folk that could be bothered to turn up were foreign. And yet we as a nation have the cheek to complain that there are so many foreign workers over here.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

When you have welfare as good as certain countries have, the young have no motivation for "dirty" jobs and are probably expecting a nice manager position at once. That is why generous welfare payments need to be dumped at once.

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And some employers take apprentices to get free or almost free work force, and when they have to start to pay for the apprentice, they kick him/her out and take a new one.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

When the alternative is to kick back and live off very generous benefits, where does the incentive to look for work - any work - come from?

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I think the incentive not to work at a menial job is probably quite a strong one for some people. It pains me that well-educated individuals are forced into this for want of anything else.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Take Jamie Oliver's example - recruiting for trainees. Only folk that could be bothered to turn up were foreign. And yet we as a nation have the cheek to complain that there are so many foreign workers over here.

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It is a cheek indeed. My theory is that we are now turning out far too many university graduates, who naturally think that working in a kitchen, for example, is not for them because they have a degree. Time to make university entrance a more elitist thing again.

'Very generous' LMAO

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Originally Posted by Mark

'Very generous' LMAO

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I think the full phrase is 'Very generous according to the Daily Mail'.

So if the councils are cutting back on services because they are having their allowance from central government cut,why dont we cut the amount that the unemployed are paid AND then get a lot of these unemployed working for the council,the government gets the dole money they are now receiving,and pays it to these people as a wage.That way these people are working helping the community,and still getting the same money as they would on the dole,but they then feel they are employed and needed?
OR do the guys who have NO solution decry this ?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

It is a cheek indeed. My theory is that we are now turning out far too many university graduates, who naturally think that working in a kitchen, for example, is not for them because they have a degree. Time to make university entrance a more elitist thing again.

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Like, umm, raise the tuition fee?

Most people with fresh university degrees are unemployable. I know from first hand experience. Here's a scenario:

If two candidates come into my office for a job interview as follows:

One is a university graduate with a 5 year degree and no work experience...
One is a high school graduate with 3 years work experience...

I always go for the guy with experience as he normally doesn't need training, is productive immediately and doesn't have a sense of entitlement just because a piece of paper says he is now "qualified".

Most "qualified" people expect me to re-pay their university degrees with higher salaries than my "non-qualified" staff who make the same if not more money for me. Nothing beats experience, especially not a fresh faced snot nose with a piece of wrinkled paper! I normally tell them to use it the next time they go to the toilet :p :

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

Like, umm, raise the tuition fee?

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Raising the tuition fees does not equate to making entry standards more rigorous in academic terms. This is what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Most people with fresh university degrees are unemployable. I know from first hand experience. Here's a scenario:

If two candidates come into my office for a job interview as follows:

One is a university graduate with a 5 year degree and no work experience...
One is a high school graduate with 3 years work experience...

I always go for the guy with experience as he normally doesn't need training, is productive immediately and doesn't have a sense of entitlement just because a piece of paper says he is now "qualified".

Most "qualified" people expect me to re-pay their university degrees with higher salaries than my "non-qualified" staff who make the same if not more money for me. Nothing beats experience, especially not a fresh faced snot nose with a piece of wrinkled paper! I normally tell them to use it the next time they go to the toilet :p :

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Thank you for insulting those of us with degrees. I obviously proved eminently employable fresh out of university, as do many other people.

Do you yourself have a degree?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

No one wants to get their hands dirty or work for their money anymore, especially the youth of today. Everyone wants wants wants but they don't want to earn earn earn it!

Case in point...I was interviewing potential staff for several sales positions in my company and 90% of respondants wanted massive salaries, perks, company cars, no overtime work etc etc that were unrealistic. Now I pay very well and offer bonuses for targets met, but you have to earn it, not demand it, and especially when you are 21 years old and just starting out.

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A company car! That really is a joke. In fact, I can see little need for company cars at all except in certain circumstances.

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Like for example for sales positions?! :rolleyes:
Just sayin'.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Like for example for sales positions?! :rolleyes:
Just sayin'.

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That was one of the 'certain circumstances' I was citing.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Most people with fresh university degrees are unemployable. I know from first hand experience. Here's a scenario:

If two candidates come into my office for a job interview as follows:

One is a university graduate with a 5 year degree and no work experience...
One is a high school graduate with 3 years work experience...

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If you don't mind me asking, what line of work are you in? Just curious.

When I finished university I looked for a job at home. I can speak 4 languages and where I live most people aren't even able to speak English haha, so I assumed I had a good chance and that I had little competition. As it turns out I couldn't get a job anywhere, because I didn't have experience.

Unemployed people straight out of university expect a good wage and companies are unwilling to train new people!

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Originally Posted by Drew

companies are unwilling to train new people!

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small companies maybe.
Ever thought of working for a German automotive company? ;) :p

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Most people with fresh university degrees are unemployable. I know from first hand experience. Here's a scenario:

If two candidates come into my office for a job interview as follows:

One is a university graduate with a 5 year degree and no work experience...
One is a high school graduate with 3 years work experience...

I always go for the guy with experience as he normally doesn't need training, is productive immediately and doesn't have a sense of entitlement just because a piece of paper says he is now "qualified".

Most "qualified" people expect me to re-pay their university degrees with higher salaries than my "non-qualified" staff who make the same if not more money for me. Nothing beats experience, especially not a fresh faced snot nose with a piece of wrinkled paper! I normally tell them to use it the next time they go to the toilet :p :

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Surely it depends how relevant the work experience is?

How did the person who went into work straight after high school gain relevant experience without needing to be trained?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

That was one of the 'certain circumstances' I was citing.

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Possible, but you chose the one request that was legitimate for that job.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

small companies maybe.

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Agree, the big ones will take the promising newbies and have them trained for the job.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Most people with fresh university degrees are unemployable. I know from first hand experience. Here's a scenario:

If two candidates come into my office for a job interview as follows:

One is a university graduate with a 5 year degree and no work experience...
One is a high school graduate with 3 years work experience...

I always go for the guy with experience as he normally doesn't need training, is productive immediately and doesn't have a sense of entitlement just because a piece of paper says he is now "qualified".

Most "qualified" people expect me to re-pay their university degrees with higher salaries than my "non-qualified" staff who make the same if not more money for me. Nothing beats experience, especially not a fresh faced snot nose with a piece of wrinkled paper! I normally tell them to use it the next time they go to the toilet :p :

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You have a rather shortsighted employment policy. :down:

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Most people with fresh university degrees are unemployable. I know from first hand experience. Here's a scenario:

If two candidates come into my office for a job interview as follows:

One is a university graduate with a 5 year degree and no work experience...
One is a high school graduate with 3 years work experience...

I always go for the guy with experience as he normally doesn't need training, is productive immediately and doesn't have a sense of entitlement just because a piece of paper says he is now "qualified".

Most "qualified" people expect me to re-pay their university degrees with higher salaries than my "non-qualified" staff who make the same if not more money for me. Nothing beats experience, especially not a fresh faced snot nose with a piece of wrinkled paper! I normally tell them to use it the next time they go to the toilet :p :

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That might work with some professions and at some companies. But many professions require at least a 2 year/Associates degree to even get an interview. At the company I used to be with, at the aerospace division, even applicants for shop floor positions had to have at least an Associates to get an interview. And once you get into certain technical jobs (engineering, for instance), supervision or management, one probably won't even get an interview without a 4 year degree.

From what I read a few months ago, the unemployment rate for those with only a high school diploma is about three times what it is for people who have at least a Bachelor's degree.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

small companies maybe.
Ever thought of working for a German automotive company? ;) :p

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I was talking about the UK, not about Germany ;)

oh of course how silly of me... I forgot there aren't that many large companies left in the UK :andrea: :erm: :arrows: :p

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Originally Posted by ioan

You have a rather shortsighted employment policy. :down:

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Most businesess have shortsighted strategy in general.