Anyone who watches Le Mans will have seen the two Audi's crash with practically no injury to the drivers. At some point an F1 driver is going to get hurt and coupes are obviously stinger.
Discuss :)
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Anyone who watches Le Mans will have seen the two Audi's crash with practically no injury to the drivers. At some point an F1 driver is going to get hurt and coupes are obviously stinger.
Discuss :)
No. It would not be F1. Simple as that.
Silly answer tbh
No.
Why? F1 is open wheel open cockpit. Anything else isn't F1
But if they ran around with goats on top of the engine cover previously and removed them then it doesn't change the racing....
No. As we saw from the LeMans shunts, an inverted coupe traps the driver inside, and with the higher speeds involved I shudder to think of a driver trapped unconscious with the medical teams unable to get to them.
No!
My mind just got f***ed with that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Gloomy, I'm just trying to say that just because we did something in the past doesn't mean we should do it now.
The W196 Mercedes-Benz might disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I rather like the idea for the 2012 Indy Car with the those things things fore and aft of the rear wheels. I personally like the idea because it goes part of the way to preventing jumped wheels. If the rear wheels were covered it would also reduce the size of the rooster tails behind the cars in the wet as well.
No F1 is an open wheel formula. Simples
Aki, the goat statement applies. At least sonic though of a proper reason why not
Damn it, I don't wanna be the serious one! Can I change my answer to a goat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Simples?Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
YouTube - ‪formula 1 - horrible crash at monza in 93‬‏
The potential for cars to go airborne because of an inherant design fault is in my opinion a dangerous stupidity. A car that goes flying is no longer under the control of the drivers. Accidents like Brundle's crash in the Jordan at Melbourne in 1996 or Villeneuve's at the same track five years later don't help the cause either.
At worst, a car jumping another car has the potential to fly into the crowd; that's particularly worth remembering on a Le Mans weekend.
Simples? Yeah right.
My answers Yak :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
No, the only incident it would prevent/reduce would be injury from a flying wheel. If a car overturned it would be harder to get to the driver, and adds the potential issues of a driver being trapped if the cover gets damaged in an accident and won't open.
McNishes accident had a flying wheel but thankfully it didn't hit anyone.
No, open cockpit isn't F1.
similarly, I don't like seeing open-cockpit LMPs. Le Mans prototypes should have closed cockpits, that's what Le Mans racing is famous for.
Also as unlikley as it is these days, if its a closed top car that traps a driver in. Fire is a big issue.
I know its the same for the Le Man Cars, but F1 cars may be slightly more prone to fire.
I very much suspect this accident in an F1 driver wouldn't have survived.......
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Also I think the Rockenfeller accident was certainly an F1 driver fatality opportunity......
I think an F1 car would not have taken off in that fashion in the first place.
And there is not the great speed differential as in Le Man.
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Originally Posted by Mark
It's happened plenty of times.
Of course that was the cause of the accident.... but there is no way an F1 driver would have walked away from that with nothing more than bruises. I mean you saw what happened to Sergio with what was a gentler accident in Monaco......Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
That is true.
I wonder also if F1 would have an accident like that. Tarmac run off instead of gravel these days may have slowed the car quicker and not caused the roll and F1 barriers would be more protective than that one row of tyres and no protective fence.
Also F1 has one of the best saftey records in motorsport. The high sides provide similar protection to a close pod, except for flying wheels.
I know saftey should always evolve, and if the people in F1 want enclosed cockpits, then I will accept it but with all I mentioned above I just feel F1 is OK is it is.
An open top car will never be as strong as a closed top car though.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
Ask a silly question and you get a silly answer ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Although I disagree with Daniel on some points. I don't think its a silly questionQuote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
I think it is correct to consider it if the situation warrants it.
How do you know that? Physics are the same for all bodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
It was not a silly question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
I find it amusing that some people choose to be a stick in the mud purely because up to this point F1 has been open wheel open cockpit. Safety should always be paramount. I accept that the roofs are a problem when the cars are upside down but I can't remember a fire in recentl years?
Roof or no roof they still need to remove the side protects to get of the car, not exactly easier then sliding forward a cover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Best engineers in the world ;) They'll find a way :) Personally I feel the protection is move than worth the small risk of fire.
I do agree with you but there are purists who prefer the roadsters/spyders whatever you want to call them.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateDanGTR
Coupes are much better on the eye and it what makes the category unique.
Open wheels, open cockpit. Didn't know there was a racing ladder involving prototype cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
If you're that desperate then organise a sprint series for prototypes as the Germans did in the mid-80s but that died a death.
Why though is an F1 with a roof and covered wheels somehow a prototype? Why not call it a gherkin or a poo or a shjshks?
So we can start a forum warQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
No.
But really. I really doubt that there's much difference between a Le Mans coupe and an F1 car other than the body and the fact that one needs to last 24 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Endurance racers are supposed to be based/heritage/rooted on road cars hence there should be two seats in an LMP car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
It's the way race car technology has evolved which has made the 2 similar.
So basically you're admitting that they're very similar....Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
If F1 really wants to be more efficient then putting a roof on and covering the wheels will instantly increase its green credentials and 99% of people will still watch plus it'll be safer.