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After watching today's race, I believe that this rule adds very little to the race - the tyres' pace and wear rates are different enough to get rid of this rule without any damage to race strategies and excitemente; in fact, I'd say that it would make races even more exciting, as it would allow even more different strategies.
So what's your opinion? :p
It's always been stupid. And as it is allows teams less choice of strategy not more.
How about get rid of tyre regs?
Agree.
IMHO it should be like this
Any tyre manufacturer can come and play (I guess there would have to be safety tests)
Any amount of compounds on any race weekend
Unlimited amount of tyres for the race weekend (if you can't afford to pay for the tyres you don't deserve to be racing)
No need to use used tyres from quali for the race.
Etc etc.
Why would anyone want to pay a fortune for tires if they can get them for free?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
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Originally Posted by N4D13
YES! What a dumb rule. Let's remove that obstacle and let the drivers and teams fight it out.
yes.... and all the other artificial rules as well... drs... kers that can be used only once per lap etc etc...
Yes I agree with everything above.
I hate the forced compound change.
Just let the drivers race, 0 stops or 4 stops whatever.
I think the rule was introduced when Bridgestone became the sole tyre supplier. I seem to remember something about making tyres a talking point to leave Bridgestone some of the exposure that they lost when the tyre war ended.
With the less durable Pirellis it's almost unnecessary I think. The overall tyre limit seems to be forcing most teams to use some of the less favoured tyre in the race anyway - like Lewis having to use 2 sets of primes at Sepang.
nope- like the rules as they are- if you want follow my leader for 60 laps (as it used to be) then dust off some dvd's of 2000-2008 seasons- which were largely tedious "races"- (unless it rained). Well done to Pirrelli for giving us tyres that do safely degrade and make the drivers work a bit harder. I don't like the Shanghai track but that was a great race to watch
We already have enough variables without two types of tyres too. As I've posted before it limits strategy options.
Or unless a mad priest ran onto the track. Maybe Bernie would like to suggest this as his next gimmick to improve the 'show'?Quote:
Originally Posted by djparky
Or both.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
A mad priest or ex Mercedes worker who can turn the sprinklers on at random times.
No wait no one would want any of this nonsense.
No one other than a tiny, old rich man.
I think that there should be regulations with regards the dimensions of tyres, ie. width, diameter, aspect ratio etc, such that the tyres are all the same size, but if you really want to push forwards the technology which goes into them, then I think a free-for-all when it comes to case construction and rubber compounds is the best way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I have always thought this myself. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Should we get rid of it? Yes. Can we? Not so sure. Without the mandated swap who in their right mind would run primes? Less performance and similar durability. It's a no brained unless we remove the tyre options all together.
However, surely if there's just one tyre choice we end up right back at Mark's point - limiting strategy options.
My point is that it should be possible to do the entire race on hard tyres and do less stops or the entire race on soft tyres and doing more stops.
Lewis in Malaysia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
The rule is almost redundant now, with the short lifespan of the Pirellis. It's brought the overall tyre allocation into play as a significant limiting factor.
Sorry. Misunderstood. I think if that were the situation the rule could be dropped, but clearly the Pirelli hard couldn't manage a full GP distance on the back of a truck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Tailoring the tires to the required two specs must be extremely hard to do .
Add in that the cars , themselves , can be tailored , to a degree , to each use the tires differently , and you've got a job that might take some time yet to tweak .
I would like to see the hard prime get 3/4 of the way , and the option sketchy after 1/4 distance , but fast as heck in a handbag .
The only thing the two compound rule does is force strategy away from a no-stopper .
The option , I suppose , would be to simply mandate at least one stop . Then , the only way to get there would be on a set of hards , and the only sensible thing to do would be to run long on them and finish on options .
Pit stops are a part of the race , showing the win is due to the efforts of a whole team , not just a driver .
They are part of the spectacle , and tires that can last a whole race lose us that element of the show .
We don't refuel any more so mandating a tire change isn't so bad .
But with the tyres we have now going an entire GP distance without a stop is pretty much out of the question. Last year, I'll grant you that we could have seen no stop races with the Bridgestones.
I certainly agree what to you want is a very fast soft which will only last 1/4 of the race and a slower hard which will last 3/4 and then have the classic tortoise and hare scenario.
^^^ whilst this was my preference hhis time last year, I'm more than happy with what Pirelli have brought. If in 12 months time the teams have got wise to the strategy calls, mix it up again and chaos can once again reign!
You're absolutely right. The more variables, the better the racing. It's why wet/dry races are often so good. The problem we have now is that the FIA has been elimiating variables over the last decade or more. Standard engine configurations and single tyre suppliers might be good for the balance sheet but they're detrimental to the racing. They've given the teams a variable (high wearing tyres) to play with and we suddenly get better racing, despite what ioan thinks about artifical gimmicks. The problem, as you say, is that the teams will eventually work out how to eliminate that variable and the procession will be back. It's the FIA's task to make sure that the variables remain and that the teams have to keep guessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Yes please get rid of it!
If anything I would like to see maybe only one set of softs and you can use them anytime during the weekend... Maybe in qualifying to make the 107 rule, or to pull away at the start of a race maybe even to try to win the race late.
^^^ I doubt you could just bung on a set of options without at least some sort of opportunity to sample them and adjust tyre pressures, car setup etc to suit.
It's NEVER added anything to the sport to be honest. The last time tyres were interesting was2001-2006.
Perhaps , if they can get the tires exactly right , it will offer more than one strategy . But it seems a touch more complicated to produce the right number of laps in each case , to ensure that the teams don't all pick one way to go .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
As the cars all improve over the season , and different tracks offer up different characteristics , they will tweak the skins to suit .
They will have to .
And , they have dealt with the "super-marble" issue pretty well .
The two compounds need to be radically different to induce the different strategies .
Too different , and the risk is that one will be too risky , and they may all choose the other .
That can lead to processional races .
The troubles they have at the moment are the hard compound wasn't lasting long enough(It was slow enough , but not quite as durable as I'd like to see) , and the sudden drop-off , or "cliff" the engineers speak about .
They'll get it right .
It's those tires , and they fact that they have to use both specs , that is making for the proliferation of differing strategies , not that stupid wing thing .
A couple of seconds difference between cars is what you need to have hard fights .
You have that with the two compound rule .
If you don't have the forced option you basically have one scenario, everyone choosing the same tire, and all of the tires going off at relatively the same intervals. It does nothing to scramble the field, which is exactly what they wanted and have so far received. I've thoroughly enjoyed what Pirelli has provided so far, though it still baffles me how and why F1 refuses to use track dryers to blow the track clean now and then during a weekend.
I'd still like to see them halve the number of pit crew members changing tires on each car and mandate each car have it's own crew. sam number of crew members and a fair fight between team mates.