Ok ring in here TIREs
should we do it
should you do it
leave in alone
let nato do it
let the un do it
Kill them all and take the oil
What say you. I say NATO should do it - but then if they don't have the equipment they they should PAY us to do it.
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Ok ring in here TIREs
should we do it
should you do it
leave in alone
let nato do it
let the un do it
Kill them all and take the oil
What say you. I say NATO should do it - but then if they don't have the equipment they they should PAY us to do it.
I have four posts or maybe five on this forum. Now I have been posting on different sites for years. Probably have in excess of thirty thousand or more. Not many in comparison to the above individual.
Is there a blood -lust in America that I miss every time I visit.
This person if one should take such liberties and is advocating the death of whom?!! All libyans, or is it muslims or the followers of the Islamic faith?
Than he says steal their oil.
I wonder what this Bob Riebe (found his name) did to have himself banned. For the period I am in the Southern and Northern States I will pay attention to this forum.
Are there people with intelligence out there(:
Let Italy worry aboutit they are the ones with the closest ties to Libya.
Thanks for asking Iona I have to say there is not any prevailing bloodlust in the consensus of sane Americans. In fact due to the current consequences in Iraq and Afghanistan I think the current administration is reacting in a very sane manor on the issue of North African unrest. We have vessels in place "already” to help in a catastrophic humanitarian catastrophe. Unlike the former administration we are poised to help as are our allies France, Italy Germany, and The UK. There are difficult decisions to be made, but unlike the former administration, Obama is trying to let the chips fall where they will. It's really not our fight as the countries on the Mediterranean are affected much more profoundly. I trust after 50 years under colonial rule of Italy and a period of quasi self determination that Tripoli which is the heart of Libya may actually attain a degree of Identity commensurate with their will, and worth in their region. All of this is overdue, and reflected by the massive illegal immigration to Southern Europe. It’s time to stop backing puppet governments in the region for remuneration in the form of crude oil prices.
I don't care who does what, just do it fast!!! Gas price is way too high !!!
I'm sorry AFF But I think we all can survive until the inevitable comes to pass. My work vehicle is a 2006 Toyota Tundra. 4.7 liter V8 and I need every ounce of power. It's time for serious contemplation as to what is in the best interest in the country and the region.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
How come I always fail with sarcasm ?
Fins don't have a sense of humor. It's a well documented fact.
Have another Vodka :D
As for the no fly zone.
WHY!!!
It's none of our business!!
If we do it we're damned. If we don't we're damned and if we impose it, we have to get involved in every conflict.
Gaddafi hasn't got much support and half the pilots have deserted anyway or are missing on purpose. Let them sort it out themselves.
Quite possbily, it's gone from a popular uprising to a civil war, a pretty disorganised one but a civil war all the same. Not something we should become involved in.
Emoticoms are helpfull. ;) Sorry I responded so seriously, :)Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
No problemo....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
...btw, did you know there was living 6 Mattilas in San Diego region back in -92 ?? I wonder how many there are now? :)
This is the problem with the information age. 3o years ago we wouldn’t know what happened until it was over. I really think we need to let this things play out.Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
BTW how do you get some of those hallucinogenic that Al-Qaeda is passing out?
I'm not sure what you mean? I do know that a group of the 911 Al Qaeda operatives were hanging out at the club (cheetah’s ) on Claremont Mesa Blvd. where my a girlfriend danced /strippedQuote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
What's this "they" and "us" business? You do realise that the United States is in NATO don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
And why is it NATO's business anyway? No NATO countries have been attacked.
Rollo - you are smart enough to understand my post
Sorry fella. You lost me on this one :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
I was being facetious. I had just got done watching Gaddafi's son say that all this revolt business was a result of Al Qaeda drugging his subjects into a mass hysteria :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
If the UN feels the need to get involved, then that's one thing. But a military mission that depends on the U.S. as the point man is not acceptable (IMO). I do wish the anti-Qaddafi (BTW, is there a name on earth that has MORE spelling variations???!!!) forces the very best of luck in overthrowing this kook. But it is not our (the U.S.'s) fight. Hopefully we are FINALLY getting to the point that we (and others) will stop thinking of the U.S. as the world's policeman.
drop guns from the sky and let the best shooter win!!
you forgot tthe wink.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Bring it. Shot about 500 rounds through the AR and my sig's and another couple hundred shooting skeet at the range this weekend. shot 190/200 at one stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
I've got my corner covered. ;)
Drop em over there where they feel they don't need em and we'll see how it goes ;)
I don't see where the USA has an obligation, duty, or any other binding agreement to help any of them out. It's not any of our business. Leave them alone.
Arab's spell the same name in several variations when using the Latin alphabet, so all is accepted and each one is as good as the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
The different spellings is because names and words that are translated and transcribed between two different languages/alphabets are spelled according to the phonetics (how the word sounds) and not letter by letter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
That means that that a name that is spelled in a certain way in English might be spelled differently in French or Swedish because the letter combinations that created the pronouncation
is/can be different in these languages.
One example is Russian pole vault star Елена Исинбаева. In Swedish her name will be Jelena Isinbajeva, in English: Yelena Isinbayeva, in French: Yelena Isinbayeva and in German: Jelena Issinbajewa.
Different spellings same pronouncation.
There are at least 28 documented spellings of Ghaddafi. If you spoke Arabic, there'd only be one. But, as noted above, that's what you get with phonetic transliteration and translation.
I support a no-fly zone, or even a series of surgical strikes intended to level the playing field. No boots on the ground, though, else any victory will be seen as hollow or even tainted.
I think soon we or nato will crater the runways and blast a few choppers out of the air. no need for boots
As they have been saying in news shows, to do that we first need total air superiority which means first destroying all their aniti-air defenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
That is easier said than done.
If a allied pilot gets shot down and cpatured, it will become a circus.
Quite true bob, but I think it has to be done
Dropping munitions onto Libya would be an act of war.
Also, keep in mind that the current Ghaddafi government is able to provide crude oil far more cheaply than an alternate stable “democratic” government.
Libya does not however, set crude oil prices, OPEC does, but Libya is an OPEC member country.
I'm not sure why, but every time I hear about a Libyan No Fly Zone, I get a mental image of the great balloons & blunderbusses duel from the motion picture "Those Magnificent Men and their Flying Machines".
Right now, no boots, no bombs. It's not our business yet. His refineries and pumps are idled. In Libya, as despicable as he is, I worry more about what's left IF they get him out of power. I this case, I believe the old adage, "The evil you know is often better than the one you don't". If Libyans want him out, then let thm get him out.
Bit like every time I hear about the motion picture "Hondo", I get a mental image of Foghorn Leghorn playing the main character instead of John Wayne.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondo
Two questions. First, did you feel the same about the Taliban in Afghanistan or Saddam Hussein? Second, how are we to find out whether the Libyans 'want him out'? Should we conduct an opinion poll and decide on that basis? It may very well be that a majority of Libyans do want him to go. Quite clearly, though, the rebels lack logistics support and firepower at the present time.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelred5
Well, it might be easier said than done, but on the other hand the Libyan military has never been that formidable an adversary, and the capabilities of the country's armed forces have certainly not improved since they performed so poorly in the war in Chad during the mid-late 1980s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
I really don't think it's a matter of degree of difficulty being a factor in taking out Libyan
command and control, and creating a no fly zone. The U.S. is being prudent in this matter. This is starting to look more and more like a popular uprising gone bad IMO. If the US goes in I think they want a coalition of forces from the UK, France, Italy, and a couple of African countries at least. I think the U.S. could practically do the entire job with cruise missiles, and drones. I'm of the opinion that the players in the west still think there is a chance of talking him out of there. This is starting to look less and less likely, althouh I think that once the big guns start to fire, Ghaddafi may regain his senses quite rapidly and cut a deal to leave. Ghaddafi has always been a paper tiger that talks a good game. He has very little military power, just enough to subjugate his citizens and little else. JMHO
I agree with all of that, particularly the last sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
Here we go again…Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
Cruise missiles and other expendable munitions that cost cost several million $’s. Not to mention the cost of clean-up and rebuilding the damage. Likely to cost upwards of several $100M’s when all is said and done.
Just a thought… how about offering Ghaddafi and his cronies a bag of cash each in return for stepping down from power without a struggle. In the long run it would likely be a cheaper option with a lot less physical damage :mark:
I don't think Mr Alcatraz' post was advocating that as an option, to be honest — at least that's not what I took it to mean. I would emphasise his use of the word 'could', i.e. 'has the ability to be able to'.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
I don't think Ghaddafi is short of cash, his body guards and military might however take the offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke