http://www.startribune.com/nation/116564258.html
Things are getting back to the way they always should have been.
http://www.startribune.com/nation/116564258.html
Things are getting back to the way they always should have been.
absolutely - I would imagine a few Libyans would have loved to have our 2nd Amendment
So, would you feel unsafe on a European university campus where this was not allowed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
The familiar MAD doctrine: MAD assumes that each side has weaponry to destroy the other and if attacked for any reason can retaliate with equal or greater force.
Speaking as someone who works at a University, you can't really get a much safer place to be!
My experience too. Though I'm sure certain individuals will now cleverly use Professor Google to find some links to horrific incidents at European universities that would without doubt have been prevented had everyone been armed in the name of freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
America's endless romance with guns - http://t.co/omTYk9M
Does anyone else think it's a good idea to allow a drunk 22 year old to be in possession of a handgun? Texas does.
What are you worried about?? just don't go to texas but if you do, stay away from drunk 22 yo with guns....
Good words to live by: I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Odd ball article as it says guns are so seductive, with the usual underlying faulty premise that if we could just pass a few more laws these problems would go away yet gives examples of people (a marxist no less)using guns to protect themselves and the reasons this fundamental premise is so flawed:
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I live in Los Angeles whose civic memory includes the 1992 Rodney King riots, when the police abandoned us to the looters. Gun sales rocketed, and the under-siege Korean American community armed itself to defend their businesses and lives. For some reason, the wild-hearted mobs stopped just short of an invisible drawbridge to my west LA district, but had they poured across La Cienega Boulevard, I'm not certain I wouldn't have emulated my Korean American neighbours.
Pragmatism sometimes overrules ethics.
Mikey Weinstein, an Air Force academy graduate and former Reagan White House lawyer, is under constant death threats – vandals routinely shoot out his windows – because he protests the pervasive Christian evangelical proselytising in the military. Whatever his private reservations, he keeps a 12-gauge shotgun in the house, and his daughter sleeps with a .357 revolver by her bed.
And I remember my late friend Jim Boggs, a scholarly radical African American autoworker in Detroit. On my last visit to his home in a tough neighbourhood, Jim insisted on walking me to a corner bus stop on the way back to my hotel. Just before leaving the house, he calmly reached behind a marble bust of Karl Marx on the mantelpiece to withdraw a fully loaded .38 Saturday Night Special. Holding the gun by his side, as we strolled down the street in broad daylight, he said, "Hey, I'm 100% for gun control. But I know this block. I'm no damn fool."
MAD prescribes that no-one gives up their weapon(s) unilaterally in the hope or belief that others around them won't shoot, and will give up their own eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
So the Libyan rebels would all have guns, as do those who support the current regime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Yeah that sounds great.
That's one less place to consider for PhD study then...
actually I have now heard most of the protesters do in fact have guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
How long will it be before someone on a University campus in Texas shoots a bunch of people?
"Place Bets Now! Bet. Bet. Bet. You'e got to be in it to win it!"
- Banzai
Am I allowed to point a concealed big gun at Texas? Only fair isn't it...
Wouldn't it also be fair to let North Korea and Iran have nukes?
Based on what proofs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
What are you so afraid of, besides your shadow.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndySpeed
Being shot by someone who really ought not to be in possession of a gun, perhaps? Just a thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Based on... this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
http://www.startribune.com/nation/116564258.html
Texas is preparing to give college students and professors the right to carry guns on campus,
You're the one who posted the dang article. Who do you usually expect to find on university campuses? Old Age Pensioners? Toddlers?
There is a time and place for carrying guns, going to Uni isn't or at least shouldn't be one of them. If you feel it is or should be.. it speaks volumes on how messed up you.. or your country is.
Bottom line.. :/
Here you guys are, bashing away about a place where you do not live, and maybe never visited, all worried about people you do not know, and wanting to save them from themselves.
Funny, I just read somewhere that Texas is twice the size of Germany.
Let us see, Texas has had no wars in the last 100 hundred years fought inside the state. Meanwhile mostly in france, germany, poland, the eastern part of europe, an area about four or five times larger than texas, in the last hundred years has seen 50 to 60 or more million dead as a result of all types of inhumanity.
Yes we sure need you guys to be telling us what to do with guns and drunk punk-ass 22 year olds.
Not a thousnad, not ten thousand, not a hundre thousand, but
MILLIONS, as in 50,000,000 people, men, women and children.
Showm me what this has to do with 22 year old drunks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
If you do that, in most states, you lose the right to concealed carry, at least for awhile.
That really amounts to a paranoid fear of firearms.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Tell that to the unarmed students, and faculty shot by murdering gunmen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
Europes paranoid fear of armed civilians.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Using such silly analogies, so would the general populace of North Korea. It might sound like a real good idea to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
That is an absolutely asinine statement which has to relation to the topic at hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
You've never been to University, have you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
The difference is only of scale. The principles which drive your reason for wanting "Second Amendment rights" are identical to North Korea and Iran wanting to have nuclear weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
We were given Second Amendment Rights by the founders of our country, that statement is incredibly stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
It was written to protect from our own government should it try to dissolve the Constitution.
In the one I graduated from, it would get you expelled and sadly nowadays arrested. No firearm necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
Your statement shows a level of narcissistic arrogance. Stop admiring your-self in the mirror.
Actually you do since most Texans (for the moment) are of European descent, so they have the genes for violence so be careful with the guns. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
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Originally Posted by Rollo
I disagree. The principle is the same, and that is the desire to defend oneself against a potential attacker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Taking an objective look at this, you are quite correct. In fact, it is impossible to argue against your logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
America is a democratic country that has the right to define it's own destiny. Some people may agree with arming students and some disagree but it is Americas right to decide within itself what it chooses to do.
Personally, I disagree with what the people of Texas have chosen but that is merely an opinion. I have no more right to dictate Texan policy than you have of forcing other Countries to choose their political path.
This is just bollox. You make a good point to start with and then some meaningless rhetoric based on irrelevant statistics. If you want to retract it then fine otherwise we can discuss the naiveity of the rest of the post.Quote:
Funny, I just read somewhere that Texas is twice the size of Germany.
Let us see, Texas has had no wars in the last 100 hundred years fought inside the state. Meanwhile mostly in france, germany, poland, the eastern part of europe, an area about four or five times larger than texas, in the last hundred years has seen 50 to 60 or more million dead as a result of all types of inhumanity.
Yes we sure need you guys to be telling us what to do with guns and drunk punk-ass 22 year olds.
Not a thousnad, not ten thousand, not a hundre thousand, but
MILLIONS, as in 50,000,000 people, men, women and children.
Let's open this up to actual real-world experience:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
How many people who went to uni on this forum, know of at least an example of drunkeness on campus?
Moreover how many universities have more than one bar on campus?
All I know is this. This paranoia about armed Americans does also fly in the face of reality. I have been to more US States than just about anyone on this forum (46 of the 50) and never ONCE have I felt unsafe knowing that Americans are armed. The only places that looked dodgy are ironically the states and US Cities that have the most restrictions on gun ownership (Newark, Detroit, Chicago, Washington DC, New York). So figure that one out......
Population of Texas = 24million.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Population of Germany = 80million.
doh
Tell that to the relatives of people killed by campus shooters.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Of course self-centered people only think of them-selves.