Include Mercedes if you want, even though we've already seen CGI images of their livery
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Include Mercedes if you want, even though we've already seen CGI images of their livery
The day I am most excited about; has Newey rewritten the rule book again or has the design reach a plateaux of ever decreasing returns? Will Williams start the season as strong as they finished the last? The basic design philosophy last season seems to be the accepted norm now - very high nose, heavily tapered rear, blown diffuser etc - but whist that's an advantage to them their lack of running, ever, with KERS won't help.
Newey's overrated. Great engineer sure but people go on like he's some kind of design god. He's designed as many duds as he has dominant cars.
In any case it is always exciting to see what he comes up with, a winner or a lemon. I hope it is a winner and we have a cracking season.
Agreed. Newey is great at what he does; areo/thinging outside the box, but he, as you say, never builds an average car, it's either Mega or dreadful - usually because he has pushed the envelope too far. But that's great for F1, we need those kind of people.
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Originally Posted by Sonic
you've got to break a few eggs to make an omelet
personally I'd take a newey hit or miss any day over an average consistent mid pack running vehicle that will never get a sniff of victory.
Yeah he does push the envelope, but his hits are world championship material cars and his duds, can still win the occasional race or challenge for wins. I'd take that any day
The Williams instantly becomes my fave of the year! Just look at it, LOOK AT IT! *dribble*
Also, it may just be the poor picture res but am I the only one seeing ripples running from the cockpit down to the cock bottle? Three of them running through the PDVSA logo.
A worrying lack of sponsorship though :( but at least it makes the numbers readable for the first time in decades.
:up: this Freakin' thing looks sweet :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
It also has some interesting ducting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
I guess that's why all the teams copied Newey's design in 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Oh, and RBR were both WDC and WCC champions.
Don't forget about that insignificant matter.
And what about the 10 cars before that that didn't win the championship?Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Someone needs to lock the Red Bull parts bin at night. The thieving pikies at STR have snuck in an pinched everything!
Ultra slim coke bottle on the RBR, perhaps the slimmest I've ever seen!
Looks like what should've been the RBR5 if multi-deck diffusers were banned in '09
He pushes the envelope of design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Colin Chapman's cars were quick, beautiful but fragile.
Given the choice, I think most people will go for excitement than something blandness.
Sport cannot exist without this emotion
What is that seemingly aero piece mounted on that most forward rear upper suspension stay ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
I thought the rules forbade anyone using aero devices on suspension bits .
Or , perhaps it's just the actual item , itself , that cannot be shaped to provide downforce ?
It's also very visible in post #10's pictures .
The pic resolutions a bit low. Do you mean the bit that looks like the finger of a glove?
Yep .
But , on further inspection of the photos in post #10 , I now see that that "finger" is actually attached , not to the suspension arm , but , to a piece coming up from beside the wheel .
Sorry . False alarm .
:D
Keep those eagle eyes peeled. We've still got to locate the Renault exhaust exit...
Just noticed on the Toro Roso especially, the air intakes above the drivers' heads look wider this year. I like this, They look beefier!
Oh, and another 3 georgous cars for 2011 here...
Not to mention, BeautifulQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
I know its an interim livery but by god its delightful to look at.
Newey came pretty darn close in some years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Let's focus on the present, friend. RBR are a young team compared to Ferrari. Their budget is also more constrained than McLaren and Ferrari. I think they've accomplished a lot for such a short amount of time. Not to mention a better designed car for 2011. :D
Would you mind showing us some pics of the 2011 McLaren before we pass judgment :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Love the new Williams, I hope they keep the final paint job similar to that.
Going to be difficult to tell the Red Bull & STR apart again.. although I suppose one will be nearer the front than the other will :D
Has anyone else noticed the tremendous irony that Hugo Chávez is a very vocal opponent of capitalism yet is prepared to throw state money in sponsorship of both the state owned oil company and the country itself into what's arguably a highly capitalist sport?
I find it amusing considering that Williams at one point also had the name of Bin Laden of their cars as well.
I guess it doesn't matter who you take your money from does it? :D
I think it was quite an easy decision for him after China busted the wall down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
By Jove, Adrian!
I've been wondering why the exhausts were very low and angled.
http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/...rbr_of_ebd.jpgQuote:
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/0...lown-diffuser/
“ The only openings in the diffuser are the starter motor hole and a 5cm area on the outer section of floor. Exhausts could be routed to this outer section of floor, but routing the large diameter exhausts across the floor could create their own blockage effect in-between the rear wheels. Offsetting the benefit they are supposed to provide.” (http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/0...and-solutions/)
It appears Newey had the same idea and has presented the modified RB7 with flattened exhausts reaching rearwards under carbon over these reach towards the outer 5cm of floor and blow under the raised lip in the floor. The fast moving exhaust gas then curves inside and blows out via the sidewall of the diffuser (shown below with the red arrow).
Something about this trick forward facing exhaust sounds fishy to me .
Remembering the exhaust stickers from last year has me wondering if Newey is messing with the other designers , getting them in a panic about just what is going on there .
It seems too early to let this cat out of the bag .
I am wondering if the cat is really a red herring .
The concept of adding heat to the underside of the car too far forwards seems flawed to me . Adding it to the mix farther back makes more sense , as the gasses are expanding due to the diffuser , and adding heat should help that expansion .
But adding it too far forward would have the gasses expanding under the car , where you are trying to speed them up by dropping the pressure .
Tossing all that heat out in front of the rear tire seems a bit sketchy to me as well .
I think we'll see a few different bends in those pipes at the first race , if not before .
Newey hasn't done a forward facing exhaust has he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Yeah , yer right . Not enough coffee .Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
But , it still sounds fishy .
It looks like Ferrari have the only rear end to even come close to channeling air at the back-end like the RB7Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5...pensioncom.jpg
For your viewing pleasure :rolleyes: , :s mokin:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-conten...ale_2011-5.jpg
they are safe for the first four rounds, no need to use KERS.