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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87984
YAY! :D
Although the cynic in me thinks they just have cr@p tyres and don't want the bad press. :rolleyes: :p :
Whatever the reason it seems the majority of fans will be happy; quickly degrading softs and hard as nails primes.
They should ditch the mandatory 2 types of tyre rule during the race. It's pointless.
I agree. Let the teams use all four compounds during a race. Make the compounds significantly different and it's up to the teams/drivers to gamble on which compound they can get to work best.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
You might get different strategies that way - some teams going for a harder compund and trying to run the whole race without a stop and others going for a softer compund and trying to buildup a gap before having to stop.
Worst case we get what we have now which is everybody pretty much on the same strategy. Can't hurt to try.
Yeah, that's not going to happen. With less compounds available, Bridgestone/Pirelli don't have to pay to ship as many tires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
I agree with this
I also applaud Pirelli with this Idea, and hope they get the support they need. It good add a real tyre element to F1 rather than this forced stop rule.
Pirelli are just making excuses because of the crap tyres they make
I suspect you're probably right. but Bridgestone tyres seem too good sometimes, so it's a fine balance. lets hope they are not awful, that would be a travesty and a joke for F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Look on the bright side.
The accuracy of the predictions on here amaze me.
TGF was going to blow Nico into the tub. How did that work out?
The Cosworth engine was garbage and would be at the back of the field. How did that work out?
Might we wait and see just what Pirelli produce before we proclaim them crap?
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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
A quick note: I believe that the Cosworth engine is the worst of the field. However, given that we've only got the Williams, it's very difficult to draw a comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
What you say is perfectly true, though the recent announcement does indicate poor tyres you have to admit. however, if they have planned it this way to make a tyre that is hard to look after etc etc, then kudos to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
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Originally Posted by Sonic
Most likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
There's at least 6 of them propping up the grid. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
Vettel fastest in the first morning test :
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1m40.861s
2. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m40.913s
3. Robert Kubica Renault 1m41.032s
4. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1m41.466s
5. Gary Paffett McLaren 1m41.588s
6. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m41.978s
7. Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 1m42.642s
8. Rubens Barrichello Williams 1m42.655s
9. Adrian Sutil Force India 1m42.859s
10. Timo Glock Virgin 1m45.057s
11. Heikki Kovalainen Lotus 1m46.201s
12. Pastor Maldonado Hispania 1m46.534s
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88407
Pos Driver Car Time LapsQuote:
Originally Posted by pino
1. Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1m38.102s 77
2. Jerome D'Ambrosio Renault 1m38.802s 83
3. Sam Bird Mercedes 1m39.220s 82
4. Gary Paffett McLaren 1m39.760s 84
5. Jules Bianchi Ferrari 1m39.916s 93
6. Sergio Perez Sauber 1m40.543s 91
7. Paul di Resta Force India 1m40.901s 27
8. Pastor Maldonado Williams 1m40.944s 81
9. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso 1m40.974s 61
10. Yelmer Buurman Force India 1m41.178s 67
11. Davide Valsecchi Hispania 1m43.013s 32
12. Luiz Razia Virgin 1m43.525s 70
13. Josef Kral Hispania 1m44.143s 61
14. Rodolfo Gonzalez Lotus 1m44.312s 41
15. Vladimir Arabadzhiev Lotus 1m45.723s 49
Does this tell us anything?
Yes the Pirelli's are very different on cars that weren't designed for them.
I'm worried a little by the message as I don't want to see competition falsly engineered into the sport.
If it was a sh*t hot tyre that was a second a lap quicker but lasted only up to a 1/3 distance and a harder tyre that if MANAGED could do a full distance but was a second slower and ripped up if you abused it, then that could be interesting.
I was less than impressed with the tyres this year where we were hearing that the softs were good for 3 or 4 laps but then we had people doing almost full race distance with very little degredation. That's just silly.
They have history, that's why they don't like competition....(control tyre formula are normally their thing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
2nd session :
1. Massa Ferrari 1’40”170
2. Vettel Red Bull 1’40”500
3. Paffett McLaren 1’40”874
4. Kobayashi Sauber 1”40”950
5. Kubica Renault 1’41”032
6. Barrichello Williams 1’41”425
7. di Resta Force India 1’41”615
8. Rosberg Mercedes 1’41”778
9. Alguersuari Toro Rosso 1’42”019
10. Sutil Force India 1’42”859
11. Glock Virgin 1’44”124
12. Kovalainen Lotus 1’44”686
13. Maldonado Hispania 1’45”728
Vettel already had a rear tire deflate, so we're off to a mediocre start.
Agree with most of this. Personally, if we're stuck with a control tyre then the least they could do for us is supply a range of compounds going from very grippy but not very durable, to very durable but little grip, with a few in between, and let the teams run what they want when they want at every race, that would be acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
that is the way I see itQuote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
And with the first tests, Nico's saying that they are much slower then bridgestones, are these the final set of tires that they would be using in races, or would they keep improving till first practice in Bahrain?
to me that is a fairly weird statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateDanGTR
Since when is doing a good job on producing tyres a bad thing.
How can tyres be too good?????
It is only in these modern F1 times that we are now looking at a tyre manufacturer who produced an outstanding product as a bad thing. Amazing.
I hate these tyre situations and the stupid 2 compound rule. To me the tyres should play no factor in race strategy. Along with the stupid fuel regulations.
This is just an artificial and annoying way to spice up the show. The added element does not make for better racing only for more boring and predictable outcomes. Only twice this year did we see any excitement because of tyre degradation and that was Canada and Valencia, and that had more to do with the team's poor strategy than the tyre itself. More often than not, we see drivers having to abandon attacks because of the tyres
You can have either this mandatory 2 tyre rule or the no fueling rule. but not both IMO
How about a three tyre rule. Now that would really be interesting. :p :
Due to some mystery "debris" apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Most probably a left over marble from a Bridgestone tire punctured the Pirelli! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
What a bunch of stupid drivel I have been reading.
You people are supposed to be enthusiasts with some understanding of how racing works not a bunch of once a year fans.
This is first real test of the new Pirelli F1 tires with an assortment of drivers and not one car designed to support the tires.
It is testing. It is for Pirelli and the car manufactures to sort things out.
The tires produced for the races will undoubtably be different.
So there was one failure. More than one Bridgestone failed this year for one reason or another.
I do not give a sweet &^*) if they are a second or 10 seconds slower than the Bridgestones. Who cares. It is the same for all and even might make passing easier, although I doubt it.
One flippin day of testing an a whole lot of useless gum flapping!
Well I guess I am in a lot of doghouses now.
I guess you are in the doghouse. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
Racing has ended for the year, and there is really not that much to get excited about.
So we make up some fun to tide us over the next 4 months. If we don't, we'll all die of boredom. :(
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
No
Not since Goodyear. Ah those were the days. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Well I'll have to join you in the doghouse as I think you are spot on. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
Lets not judge to much until at least pre season testing in spring. The tyres will surely be improved before then, as car and tyre combo develops.
I may not have as much knowledge as some on here, but it seems a bit unfair to judge so early. :(
:up: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Today's session :
1. Fernando Alonso (Ferrari) 1'40"529
2. Michael Schumacher (Mercedes) 1'40"685
3. Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) 1'40"825
4. Rubens Barrichello (Williams) 1'41"294
5. Robert Kubica (Renault) 1'41"614
6. Gary Paffett (McLaren) 1'41"622
7. Oliver Turvey (McLaren) 1'41"740
8. Paul Di Resta (Force India) 1'41"869
9. Kamui Kobayashi (Sauber) 1'42"110
10. Sebastien Buemi (Toro Rosso) 1'42"145
11. Tonio Liuzzi (Force India) 1'42"416
12. Sergio Perez (Sauber) 1'42"777
13. Jarno Trulli (Lotus) 1'44"521
14. Pastor Maldonado (Hispania) 1'44"768
15. Timo Glock (Virgin) 1'44"783
Can it be? Surely not! Have Pirelli provided the silver bullet that the shoe needed? I know its early to judge, but....
Ok. Forget it. Situation normal. That P2 time has been removed from official timings because he cut a chicane.
I wonder how significant it is that Felipe Massa did so well in the first day of tire testing. He's the only driver to have lapped Abu Dhabi faster in testing than during the race. Maybe his whining about the Bridgestone tires this year wasn't entirely bullcrap after all??
1. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1’40.170s
2. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1’40.500s
3. Gary Paffett McLaren 1’40.874s
4. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1’40.950s
5. Robert Kubica Renault 1’41.032s
Chill fool!Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter