Vettel = Mr Nice Guy?

Brundle once said Vettel set a new standard for niceness but what with some of his aggressive driving tactics and a chance to a win WDC, it seems the kid has learnt why F1 is sometimes called the Piranha Club:

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"Sometimes good and bad you get to know people a little better and see their true faces. So I think I have learned my lesson and focus on myself."

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It was bound to happen. He can't be nice forever while others keep being rude.

I'm sure to the press and cameras he's all smiles...might be a whole different story in the motorhome. Or maybe he's realise he can't have it all his own way despite the team's intentions

Happens to most drivers when they're not winning.

IMO he was never a nice guy. He crashed into Mark even in STR. He demands to be let trough and never thinks about other guys on track.
He is, however, a very good driver.

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Originally Posted by I am evil Homer

I'm sure to the press and cameras he's all smiles...might be a whole different story in the motorhome. Or maybe he's realise he can't have it all his own way despite the team's intentions

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I don't quite get why people are saying this. People seem to forget that Lewis gave Vettel a puncture in the first corner so regardless of new wing or not for Webber or Vettel, Vettel was always going to be heading to the back of the pack. Webber didn't beat Vettel to the chequered flag in an even race because the two never got the chance to duel it out on track.

I think some people are guilty of seeing this as more than it actually is.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

IMO he was never a nice guy. He crashed into Mark even in STR. He demands to be let trough and never thinks about other guys on track.
He is, however, a very good driver.

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I never knew Webber drove for STR and crashed into himself?

I think that the Vet is becoming as much a victim in this as Webbs. Certainly he's not quite the man we had been led to believe he was but he ain't exactly Mr Nasty either. Horner is doing a fantastic job of screwing both of his drivers the chance at the title and is the villan in this story IMO.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I don't quite get why people are saying this. People seem to forget that Lewis gave Vettel a puncture in the first corner so regardless of new wing or not for Webber or Vettel, Vettel was always going to be heading to the back of the pack. Webber didn't beat Vettel to the chequered flag in an even race because the two never got the chance to duel it out on track.

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Webber did beat Vettel over the short distance that was an even race between them. But I guess you're right in the sense that if Vettel hadn't suffered the puncture, then the team could have successfully manipulated a Vettel win with pit strategy.
So yes, Vettel probably can have his own way most of the time, if that's the team's intention. And Webber is going to need to stay lucky if he's to win against both his teammate and his own team management.

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Originally Posted by Sonic

I think that the Vet is becoming as much a victim in this as Webbs. Certainly he's not quite the man we had been led to believe he was but he ain't exactly Mr Nasty either. Horner is doing a fantastic job of screwing both of his drivers the chance at the title and is the villan in this story IMO.

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:up:

Vettel is as hard nosed and nasty as anyone in F1. Maybe not as prone to make silly mistakes as Mark but just a nasty.
Some reports say he and Hamilton hit while others say the puncture was from going over the curb.
There is rarely a race where there is not some contact among the leaders, and the in entire field in the first few corners. It is rarely intentional. If someone even twitches the field is so close the domino effect almost ensures there will be contact.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Well we did see a good 1000 yards of racing between Seb and Mark up to Becketts and Mark got a better start and the inside line from Vettel. I think if Seb had not driven over Hamilton's front wing and got a puncture, we would have seen two teammates who would have eventually taken each other out. I can't see Mark giving any space after the shafting he received the previous day. We may have even seen a British winner afterall lol.. :)

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Yes but 1000 yards is hardly a race.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I did find it amusing when Vettel suggested the theory that maybe Hamilton had hit him on purpose, but I think it was meant as a joke. Vettel knows as well as anyone else how fragile a front wing is and no driver in third place is going to risk a slow cruise back to the pits on the first lap from a deliberate damaging move.

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Listen, I expect better from you. This is a lie! vettel did NOT say that! in fact he is quoted as saying the exact opposite....

The proof http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/07/1...me-a-puncture/

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He probably achieved what he wanted to achieve in Valencia! But I’m sure he didn’t mean to give me a puncture.

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Originally Posted by henners88

just ask Fernando.

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I'd rather not. I get enough whining and whinging from the end users I support at work.... :mark:

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Originally Posted by henners88

Hence my insinuation that it was a bit of a joke.. I agree with you on this so DON'T call me a liar.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8808172.stm

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He clearly said "surely he didn't mean to give me a puncture"

Liar maybe not, but you've tried to create something that was never said.

You said

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Vettel suggested the theory that maybe Hamilton had hit him on purpose

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Vettel said

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I’m sure he didn’t mean to give me a puncture.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Brundle once said Vettel set a new standard for niceness but what with some of his aggressive driving tactics and a chance to a win WDC, it seems the kid has learnt why F1 is sometimes called the Piranha Club:

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He's aggressive, Webber's aggressive. Both are in a fast car and both want to win the WDC. They are teammates and their team publicly does not believe in team orders or which driver is No. 1 & 2.

It all adds up to controversy and the comments we are now seeing.

I don't see a problem here.

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Originally Posted by Sonic

I think that the Vet is becoming as much a victim in this as Webbs. Certainly he's not quite the man we had been led to believe he was but he ain't exactly Mr Nasty either. Horner is doing a fantastic job of screwing both of his drivers the chance at the title and is the villan in this story IMO.

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Hear, hear!

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Originally Posted by henners88

I did find it amusing when Vettel suggested the theory that maybe Hamilton had hit him on purpose, but I think it was meant as a joke. Vettel knows as well as anyone else how fragile a front wing is and no driver in third place is going to risk a slow cruise back to the pits on the first lap from a deliberate damaging move.

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I find it amusing the lengths Webber fans will go to twist Vettel's words into something worthy of being a column in 'The Sun'.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

The proof http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/07/1...me-a-puncture/

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Thanks for that! :up:

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Originally Posted by henners88

"he achieved here what he failed to do in Valencia...

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Intention from Lewis' part is not implied anywhere in that sentence.
I always thought that the ones who speak English as mother tongue do understand plain English, obviously I was wrong.

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Originally Posted by henners88

"he achieved here what he failed to do in Valencia *Smiles*, but I'm sure he didn't mean to give me a puncture, in case if it was like that? *smiles*"

Sorry Daniel but I enjoyed what I saw as a hinted bit of amusement there whether you like it or not. He wasn't serious, and its really not worth wasting 5 posts discussing it. Its my opinion and I know you hate people not respecting others opinions, so if you disagree i this instance, lets leave it as that.. :)

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yes but he CLEARLY said "I'M SURE HE DIDN'T MEAN TO GIVE ME A PUNCTURE"!!!!!! He never said, in Valencia he tried to give me a puncture and finally succeeded here. You're putting words into his mouth or just plain misunderstanding what he said.

The test of a person is how they react when they make a mistake and are caught out. Do they

A admit that they made a mistake (as well all do)
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B make up some cock n bull story about how someone was trying to say what they clearly didn't say.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Intention from Lewis' part is not implied anywhere in that sentence.
I always thought that the ones who speak English as mother tongue do understand plain English, obviously I was wrong.

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This is stupid. 2 people who aren't the biggest Hamilton fans are coming out saying that Hamilton hasn't tried to give Vettel a puncture on purpose either here or in Valencia and that Vettel didn't imply that he did which is clearly backed up by video footage of his statement. This is just ridiculous in the extreme. If Hamilton had tried to give Vettel a puncture I'd be the first one to come down on him like a tonne of bricks and no doubt Vettel would also come out and use the strongest language possible given that it's his neck on the line.

Henners rightly points out that Vettel tripped over the front wing of Hamilton and then presumably because of some pro-Webber bias tries to make out that Vettel is accusing Hamilton of giving him a puncture on purpose? :confused:

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Originally Posted by henners88

For the third time in this thread Vettel did NOT seriously imply that Lewis had deliberately given him a puncture.

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He didn't imply it at all!

It was the best move Lewis did in the race, that is for his own Championship.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Steering to the right is quite an unorthodox method for taking Copse at the best of times.. :p

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Really, for Lewis, he was thinking very carefully of that move. As we know, he is a very fast thinker, I admire him.

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Originally Posted by Sonic

I think that the Vet is becoming as much a victim in this as Webbs. Certainly he's not quite the man we had been led to believe he was but he ain't exactly Mr Nasty either. Horner is doing a fantastic job of screwing both of his drivers the chance at the title and is the villan in this story IMO.

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What he said.

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Originally Posted by ioan

It was bound to happen. He can't be nice forever while others keep being rude.

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Yeah! making those loony gestures after he caused the crash in Turkey was being nice.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Hear, hear!

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What did you hear? :confused:

yeah Vettel took pole and gave the inside advantage to webber.....what are freinds for....

Lewis did not make any contact with Vettel.

He caused his own puncture by driving aggressively over the kerb and then again as a result of the puncture.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Lewis did not make any contact with Vettel.

He caused his own puncture by driving aggressively over the kerb and then again as a result of the puncture.

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Um, Lewis did make contact and it shows from his onboard (It was on Speedtv's the speed report last night)

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Originally Posted by PSfan

Um, Lewis did make contact and it shows from his onboard (It was on Speedtv's the speed report last night)

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Lewis nor Vettel mentioned it in their immediate post race interviews.

I guess its possible they touched if Vettel went too close to Lewis in his flustered state.

Haven't seen anything reported on Autosport - I reserve my judgement until Thurs.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Lewis nor Vettel mentioned it in their immediate post race interviews.

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Errrrr. Vettel did mention it...

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"Sometimes good and bad you get to know people a little better and see their true faces. So I think I have learned my lesson and focus on myself."

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I'm not sure what Seb is getting at here. By "people" and "their true faces" is he referring to his team-mate? What lesson did he learn at Silverstone?

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Originally Posted by henners88

Well judging by his hugs and handshakes with the team management post race, I'll put my bet on it being Webber. Clever internal politics, although I think Seb has realised Webber isn't the pushover that was maybe promised to him in the contract meeting. He's got an experienced fast teammate who is capable of winning races and has brought the unfair treatment into the media spot light. Everyone is watching this relationship unfold and it'll be difficult for the team to call strategy in favour of Vettel from now on without direct questioning IMO.

I know I condemned Webber in Valencia and backed him over this latest incident, but I still prayed for his engine to fail at Silverstone.. :p

I like Webber but do I want him to win the WDC? No.

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Typical Pom. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by henners88

Well judging by his hugs and handshakes with the team management post race, I'll put my bet on it being Webber. Clever internal politics, although I think Seb has realised Webber isn't the pushover that was maybe promised to him in the contract meeting. He's got an experienced fast teammate who is capable of winning races and has brought the unfair treatment into the media spot light. Everyone is watching this relationship unfold and it'll be difficult for the team to call strategy in favour of Vettel from now on without direct questioning IMO.

I know I condemned Webber in Valencia and backed him over this latest incident, but I still prayed for his engine to fail at Silverstone.. :p

I like Webber but do I want him to win the WDC? No.

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Finishing first is not winning.

I adore Jense to bits as do all his real fans - but if winning depends on mechanical issues occuring to the driver ahead then it is no different to team orders and leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

At the same time no matter who the driver is, if they drove like Webber or as Hamilton did in 2008 at Silverstone - surely a drive his hero Senna would have been prioud of, I want THEM to win.

I adhere to the Williams way - winning is important and of course one will take the first place when available - but it is not the ONLY thing. How one wins is always important :vader:

For those who may not be aware, POM is used here in Oz as a term of endearment. :p :

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Originally Posted by ioan

Intention from Lewis' part is not implied anywhere in that sentence.
I always thought that the ones who speak English as mother tongue do understand plain English, obviously I was wrong.

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Actually intention is quite clearly implied, but also very clearly ment as a joke. Its a very English sort of humour, something Vettell has caught onto quickly.