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Ogier had to test the DS3 but finally Sordo was Loeb's team-mate in them, because the young star is speaking with Ford about next years contract. Ogier says that he don't want to change, but he is studing Ford's proposition. Maybe Citroën is angry with him...??
Ogier isn't that stupid to leave Citroën where he has bright future secured.
wont happen, they are setting Ogier up for a massive future with them when Seb is gone.
Where will be P.Solberg?
relaxing at home beside a roaring fire in a warm pair of slippersQuote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Agree he'd be crazy to leave, but maybe this will increase Citroen's offer to him...... all part of the negotiation ;)
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Originally Posted by Barreis
No, that is my life and I will never give up on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cut the b.s.
On Ogier to Ford thing, it's natural. It'd be both stupid, for Ogier to leave Citroen and for Ford not to propose him.
Well said....Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Just to pass on some information from a link to the Citroen Juniors Team - they know that Ogier has been offered a deal to join the Manufacturer Ford Team and actually believe he may accept it.
DSTM - this is from a friend so may not be entirely correct, but he has never lied to me before so I see no reason to reject it immediately. As Hartusvuori says, Ford would be idiots to NOT offer Ogier a deal - it makes sense to try and get the best drivers even if it is unlikely that Ogier will leave Citroen. But my mate also says that Citroen fear losing him to Ford due to the lure of being a driver in a leading team rather than a 'second' or B Team, and working with Malcolm Wilson. They believe Citroen will have Sordo and Loeb in the main team in 2011, and even Kimi may be promoted before Ogier.
Either way, it would certainly be interesting to see what Quesnel would say if Ogier goes to Ford ;)
Im a fan of Citroen, but I would prefer Ogier to be in Ford.
Aslong as Loeb is in Citroen, theres now way Ogier will win or even fight for the championship, they rather have a driver with 7 or 8 consecutives championships than Ogier with one, and obviously he would end Loeb streak and I dont think Citroen's bosses like this ideia.
Ogier on Ford would impact the overall championship in a good way, so I would be glad, but in the end it's up to him, and through all those years I've seen many weird and unexpected moves from drivers.
I hope that big money transfers will come again into WRC.. Last few years it's sport for rich sons and that ruins WRC..
I was willing to believe that source until that point. Promote Kimi over Ogier? He's a Citroen project and has been promoted to the main team in place of Sordo for the gravel rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
your "friend" needs a brain restart.....Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
Really Sordo is a future useless nobody, never been allowed to win a WRC rally, never will be allowed to, Ogier is a fine rally driver, almost a clone of Loeb.
I think the key to this move is what Loeb decides to do, IF Loeb and Ogier stay at Citroen, I guess Ogier will all of a sudden find his Citroen engine a "little off". Its only my thoughts but I suspect the Loeb / Citroen relationship is a clone of the Ferrari /Schumacher time, and having Ogier win so early may backfire on Citroen. If Ogier's first win came middle of 2011 I'm sure it would have been more convenient, but now that Seb v2.0 has rattled Loeb and won a rally outright (after becoming close earlier) I wonder if Ogier realises that Ford would totally support him and he will be allowed to fight Loeb. I may be a cynic but Citroen is a 1 man team, Loeb and they dont want Ogier to beat their 7 times champion.
I still think that Seb Loeb will be conveniently moved to Peugot LeMans series in 2011, thereby ensuring that Ogier stays at Citroen to keep the dominance.
Exactly, hes getting the best deal possible as citroen would be crazy to let him go, no matter how much I want him at Ford!!Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
the career of loeb will end soon or will start to decline soon....i guess Ogier can wait 2 or 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
To be honest I dont see Loeb moving to circuit race full time, and if he tries to I suspect he will get bored of it quickly. But hey, is still a young guy and perhaps what he says about having a go at other disciplines is a way to tease competition on WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
And I believe Ford will be competitive next year, it's better for Ogier to move if he thinks it's a good ption rather than become a Citroen muppet.
It would certainly be interesting to see what Quesnel would say to Sordo(!) if Ogier goes to Ford :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
Hmm, I don't think this will happen.
I guess it means Malcolm is not too happy with his current pair though (or at least blames some of this years lack of performance on them)
I imagine Ogier will be in the works Citroen team next year. It would be nice if the rules were changed to allow 3 car teams in WRC (best 2 score) Then we could have:
Citroen:
-Loeb
-Sordo
-Ogier
Ford:
- Mikko
- JML
- PGA
Citroen Junior:
- P Solberg
- K Raikkonen
Stobart:
- Henning
- 5 year+ plan
Ford needs P.Solberg if they want to be champs again..
I would be very surprised to see Loeb and Ogier in the same team in 2011.
I guess Ford could be (in no order) Mikko, JML, Seb V2.O, and P.G.
Citroen DS3's for Loeb, Sordo, Kimi, and Petter.
On totalrally radio last week they were confident that Petter wouldnt get a DS3, but I guess they were planning on Citroen being 2 x Seb, Sordo and Kimi when they said that.
Well - I wasn't that surprised by that bit to be honest. I think I remember Quesnel already saying that Kimi has a chance in the manufacturer team next year, if 3 car teams are allowed. Yes Ogier is thier 'project' but Kimi is the one who brings fame and attention to Citroen. Kimi coming 5th would attract more press and interest for Citroen than Ogier winning a title.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
They are not dumb. They know that Loeb won't drive forever and that's exactly why they grew Ogier from nobody to first-class star. Kimi is only short-time marketing tool and since they are able to run let's say 5-6 cars in one moment thanks to PH Sport, there is no problem to have Kimi still in the team. They made Ogier to his current skills to keep winning with French champion.
Exactly, Kimi would not been driving in rally if not because of red bull, he is not Citroens choise in any way. I agree 100% with Mirek's post, also I dont belive for a second that Ogier would be that stupid that he would go from a winning car to Ford, especially when he has accived nothing sofar, the time to collect the cash comes later when he can do it with his own terms, yet he cant.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
But sure this tread has been very amusing sofar. :)
in rallying nothing is impossible,if ogier feels hes a man enough to stand alone its better he makes his move now than wait more years for good old loeb to retire for him to be allowed a shot at the title.
Exactly, that is another point. Ford seems to be someway behind Citroen now and there is no particular reason to think that is going to change next year, although Ford maybe had a head start in developing the Fiesta's chassis first as an S2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
Surprised you consicder Ogier's achievements as "nothing" though?
what are his achievements ??
1 WRC win and some good perfomances.....
Latvala anyone ??
how are those shrooms growing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
yes, sofar he has not acchived nothing in wrc, but if he stays with citroen he will.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
I hope its last season for MR. Loeb because then hopefully we have more drivers fighting for a campion title.
It's 'cos of him (S.Loeb).. It's 'cos of other drivers not good enough to fight him..
nice mentality.....Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfan+
Just because they can't keep with him dosen't mean he should leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfan+
its the usual loser syndrome....
its not often I agree with you, but I do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
If Loeb retires as champion it will devalue the achievements of his successor, Loeb isnt to be blamed for the fact that he has been so dominant
Quesnel first and foremost is about winning. Citroen needs top justify it's investment in rallying - that happens with Ogier, it doesn't happen with Kimi no matter what Red Bull ask for or one tarmac showing suggests.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
WRC gets next to no PR reach anyway, Kimi is a slight bonus but not enough to promote over a more talented driver.
That joke killed me, man! What Ford needs most urgently are two things: more cash and new long-term strategies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
There are so many sides of this coin. You mentioned some.
But - the new Ford might be better than expected meaning it´s even beyond Citroen level or at least equal.
That brings the thing in another aspect. And the top drivers want to have winning tools. They know for them seleves what is best.
And then money. Has Ford the money to pay Ogier? Are they willing to do it?
Loebs supremacy is one other thing. The other drivers are really good but Loebs just happened to be better at the moment. Nothing to cry about. Things just are like that.
And I agree Ogier at Ford will equal the WRC and next year with new cars will be exciting, no matter what team the drivers happen to be in.
Thats offcourse true, but for how long? To belive that Citroen is in WRC only to play games, is to fool one self, their aim is to win, and has for sure the resourses to make a car that makes it possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper