Curt Cavin says;
http://www.indystar.com/article/2010...-New-Hampshire
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Curt Cavin says;
http://www.indystar.com/article/2010...-New-Hampshire
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I hope this is true!!!
Great news!!! Its not another road course which makes it even better! :)
But it is likely replacing another oval.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanicaFan
Yeah, unfortunately you might be right. But if we have to lose another oval, let's hope the Baltimore race takes care of that loss and this New Hampshire race will bring the oval count back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TURN3
I believe Baltimore is in place of Edmonton. New Hampshire could come in place of Kansas, as it seems as though ISC are not going to renew their IndyCar races (including Watkins Glen) and the São Paulo race is confirmed as having the first Sunday of May (Kansas' slot this year) in 2011.
Hopefully, though, NHMS is just an addition to the schedule and not replacing anything. I'm not a fan of oval racing by any means, but I do love the flat, shorter ovals such as NHMS or Milwaukee and the series needs diversity as oval racing has a broad appeal.
I certainly hope it's true. I'm not far from Loudon and this has potential to be my first non-NASCAR race attended in person...especially if they run with the Whelen Modifieds!
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Originally Posted by DanicaFan
Huh??? -1 oval + 1 street course +1 oval still = 1 oval, no increase in oval count at all.
Gary
Way to go Milka...mixing it up again!
Woops, forgot to switch threads. Sorry!
This is good news, I always liked New Hampshire. (Actually I really liked racing on it in Indycar (the PC game))
I'll be really disappointed if they lose Watkins Glen.
We are looking at it different...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
If Baltimore takes away an oval, we are down 1 for next year, and if New Hampshire comes aboard, it goes back up, so technically ,the count goes up. ;)
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Originally Posted by DanicaFan
The RACE count overall maybe, but not the oval count. It stays the same. With that sort of "new" math, I now understand why each week you think Danica will win.
Gary
I'll be really disappointed if they lose Watkins Glen, as along with Barber, it's the best road course on the current IndyCar schedule. Also, if New Hampshire is confirmed for 2011 along with Baltimore, I still think we will only have 18 races next year with an even 9/9 split. Remember, if Milwaukee had ran this year we would have had an even 9/9 split. So, you could argue New Hampshire replaces Milwaukee and the remaining ovals stay so that you have 9 ovals next year. The addition of Baltimore would see the road/street course count go up to 10, but if they wanted 18 races then 1 would have to go. Personally, I'd rather see Edmonton go than Watkins Glen. Eventually, in 2012, I think the schedule will expand to 20 races with an even 10 oval/10 road-street course split. Hopefully, they can find a spot for Road America in their somewhere, as that is by far the best road course in the US.
Sorry for confusion over my comment about Watkins Glen...as far as I know (not very far), ISC will honor their existing contracts but will not renew them. Therefore, the series will gradually lose ISC tracks over the next few years rather than just pull all five or six that they have at the end of the year. I am not sure how long the Glen is contracted for, but I seem to recall only one ISC track would be lost at the end of 2010 (I was guessing Kansas as the May slot went to São Paulo, but they may just move Kansas to later in the season).
I'm under the impression that Baltimore is replacing Edmonton. I'm not sure what NHMS would replace, but Homestead or Kansas would be logical guesses if NHMS has to replace anything (it may not).
I would love to attend a race at NHIS again. My wife and I attended the CART races there in 1992-1995 and loved 'em! We were extremely disappointed when the owner sided with Tony G and, like most AOWR fans in the region, didn't attend the IRL races there. Assuming the rumors are true, we'll be back in the paddock and stands in '11.
By the way, why didn't Cavin mention the many CART races that were held at NHIS? Why do so many in the media continue to treat CART and the CCWS like they never happened? Some very big names -- Rahal, Mansell, and Al Unser Jr -- won races there.
good, get rid of one of the crappy full throttle ovals and add in New Hampshire since its a drivers track over those lame 1.5 cookie cuttersQuote:
Originally Posted by TURN3
Well, there are certainly some signs pointing to New Hampshire returning to the schedule, apparently there is some beef going on between SMI and the tow officials per local news outlets.
http://www.wmur.com/news/23938743/detail.htmlQuote:
NHMS is asking Loudon to reduce its price tag for June's upcoming race from $170,000 to $65,000."No, we're not prepared to do that," said Loudon Selectman Roger Maxfield. "The answer is no, we won't."Maxfield said he thinks $170,000 to cover an influx of 100,000 people is reasonable, as is Fiske's hourly rate."He's also in control of 80 full-time officers, so that's a large detail," Maxfield said.NHMS has suggested cutting 38 police officers from its camp grounds and replacing them with private security guards supported by a few officers.Fiske said that plan isn't in the best interest of public safety."The crime is consistent with a city of that size," he said. "We have alleged rapes and assaults, let alone the DWIs."
It seems plausible that they are planning on moving the NASCAR date to Kentucky and replacing the June date with an ICS race, or using the IRL event to spread the cost out between three instead of two events.
Also, I haven't heard anything about Baltimore replacing Edmonton. City officials are pressing forward, but Northlands won't be the organizer, it will probably be either Green or Lanigan taking over. Watkins Glen is at the end of its contract, and they have been less than productive about promoting the event.
I see all these new venues and haven't heard a thing about the possibility of RA being back in IC sked. NASCAR Nationwide (the 2nd tier NASCAR) drew about 60k fans on Saturday. We need IC back there too. Comments?
I dont think any of us want to discuss it for lack of jinxing itQuote:
Originally Posted by booger
Provide us with the link that Edmonton is going anywhere. Last I read, the race was staying put.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Mister
As for New Hampshire, about bloody time they added it. Best oval race I ever saw in terms of sheer balls and driving talent was in 92 with Tracy and Mansell virtually lapping the field in their own private duel carving in and out of traffic...
According to Curt Cavin, New Hampshire & Baltimore will be on next year's schedule. It seems IndyCar are, once again, aiming for 17 races. So it seems we are gaining an oval and a street track to take the count to 19, but we'll have to lose 2 races to accomodate New Hampshire & Baltimore. I fear we'll lose Watkins Glen as that is at the end of it's current contract for Baltimore and maybe a Kansas or Homestead to accomodate New Hampshire.
Potentially, next season would still be an 8-oval, 9-road/street course split with Indy, Texas, Iowa, Chicago, Kentucky, Motegi, New Hampshire and Kansas/Homestead as the ovals and Brazil, St.Pete, Barber, Long Beach, Toronto, Edmonton, Mid-Ohio, Sonoma & Baltimore as the road/street courses. There are also rumours of returns to Phoenix, Las Vegas, Milwaukee & Fontana as a return to IndyCar's roots.
For 2012, I'd like to see the series expand to 20 races with an even 10/10 split of races. The 10 ovals could be 4 short ovals of Iowa, Milwaukee, New Hampshire & Phoenix, 4 x 1.5 mile ovals of Chicago/Kentucky, Las Vegas, Motegi & Texas & 2 x 2.5 mile super-speedways of Indy & Fontana.
The 5 street tracks could be Baltimore, Brazil, Long Beach, St.Pete & Toronto. The 5 road courses could be Barber, Cleveland, Edmonton, Mid-Ohio & Road America. From the current list you'd lose Chicago/Kentucky, Homestead, Kansas & Sonoma. Of course, this is just my take on things but I think this schedule could work. It would give lots of variety on the ovals as well as having a good mix on the road/street/airport tracks.
That was a terrific race. But is NH the same track it was in 92? Didn't it get "Nascarized", i.e. more banking, a few years back after the deaths of Adam Petty and others? I always like my ovals more on the flatter side for ow racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
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Originally Posted by champcarray
Didn't you get the memo? Nothing before 1996 existed and Scott Dixon is the winningest driver in Indy car history. I think Jag said it in another post, the winner rights the history, except in this case it's more like the survivor. It's a giant pile of crap, but that's the way it is.
no, NHIS is still a flat track, there were rumors they were gonna repave NHIS into a progessive banked track, but thankfully, it never went through....yetQuote:
Originally Posted by DBell
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Originally Posted by harvick#1
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In 2002, in an effort to increase competitive racing, the track's corners were turned into a progressive banking system, as the apron was paved and became part of the track, and the track's banking was varied from 4 degrees in the lower two lanes to 12% grade (about seven degrees). The addition of SAFER barriers to the corner walls was made in 2003.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Ham...Motor_Speedway
there were talks though that the banking was gonna be 20-25 degrees, I was glad they never went with it though
I don't want to drag this off topic, but being from the UK I've got a quick question to ask - Pocono - I've seen youtube vids of indycar racing there in the past, and I think the NASCAR races there can be pretty good - what's the reason that Indycar no longer goes there? It should be fairly close the New York market??
Staying more on topic - from what I've seen over the past three years (when I've really watched Indycar) - the shorter, flatter tracks do seem to produce the better racing and possibly demand more skill, so NHMS looks like a fairly good move to me.
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Originally Posted by DBell
The progressive banking that is there essentially means it is slightly less than flat. You watch the NASCAR boys this weekend up coming and then tell me how banked that place is!
They added just enough to allow the NASCAR guys to run side by side and race a bit. The banking had nothing to do with the Kenny Irwin and Adam Petty death's.
The reason they wont go there I think mainly is due to the real bumpy nature of Pocono. IT is a NASCAR track in the eyes of fans, and CART quit going there years ago because I think of the speed on the main straight. Sprint Cup cars are hauling into Corner 1 at 200mph, so one can only imagine the clip a modern Indy Car would be going around this place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oli_M
While less than 2 hours from New York City, really it might as well be 6..New Yorkers don't care about racing except if they are in the Ad business.
If Watkins Glen was held on ANY other weekend than 4th of July, I'd be there. Escaping 50+ years of my family's involvement running the local parade and july 4th celebrations is not something I can escape. ;(Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
It's far too bumpy along the main straight. There was also some pretty bad blood between the Mattioli Family and Indycars that has not been forgotten. That and being just about the only only independent track left on the Sprint cup schedule with a NASCAR weekend, let alone two six weeks apart, They (Pocono) aren't doing anything that would jeapordize either weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Not to mention the track does not have a full fence. Imagine an Indycar clipping those trees...Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelred5
NO!Quote:
Originally Posted by booger
Well, the Mattioli's like making money, and the Indycar family they fought with was CART, and they are long dead, so that isnt' the issue. No...the track itself, and the influence NASCAR might have over things would pretty much dictate the Indycars not coming back there.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelred5
Too bad Trenton isn't around anymore. That right hand dogleg was unique
I am too young really to remember that...but I wish Nazerath was still around...I loved that track...Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelred5
I thought it was still around - the track, that is, minus the facilities. Can anyone from the area provide an update on Nazareth's status? It would be lovely if someone (the Andrettis maybe?) reopened that track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Can someone point me to the track records for CART at NHMS? The speedways website only shows records for series currently racing there.
On a related note, I see that the NASCAR boys are finally lapping faster than the local modified series. IIRC, the modified were averaging 8-10 mph faster than the Winston Cupper were back in 2001. My wife and I found that very amusing. The modifieds were slowed down in '02 with restrictor plates and the COT finally outpaced them in '08 or '09.
Modifieds are faster because they are lighter and have bigger tires and sit lower. Add all that up, and it is no surprise they are quicker on a flat track like New Hampshire.Quote:
Originally Posted by champcarray
They are quicker than the Cup boys at Bristol too....
That said, the IRL boys will be chasing the CART lap records, and with less power, I don't see those lap records falling. As for your finding the lap records not being there for series not there now, I am sure someone has a data base of when the IRL did run there, but I think that was in the days of the IRL running the old CART chassis, not this newer formula.