Lars Vilks gets the muslim free speech treatment

Winner and proud recipient of the big headbutt award!!!

seems some people get real excited over nothing

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37089242...ope/?GT1=43001

Guy makes a cartoon after the muslims get to fussing about some other cartoons......seems to be depicting the so-called "Prophet" Muhammad as a dog, so lars was was violently assaulted by those god fearing lovers of religion

Don't know why the "Prophet" and his muslim radicals would be insulted, seems to me that it is the dogs that ought to be insulted instead and sue.

Somebody get a lawyer for those dogs

I was just about to make a thread on this subject.

The religion of peace strikes violently once again!

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The Religion did not attack him, surely that was people. Just because they 'claim' to act in the name of that religion.

And why is it so surprising that a man, who set out to provoke the kind of people who would be provoked by what he did, succeeded in provoking them.

All this proves is that people are predictable.

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

The Religion did not attack him, surely that was people. Just because they 'claim' to act in the name of that religion.

And why is it so surprising that a man, who set out to provoke the kind of people who would be provoked by what he did, succeeded in provoking them.

All this proves is that people are predictable.

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yeah just like the beleivers in Nazism did not attack jews or other minorities. Yeah, right.
No it proves that there are many elements in the moslem faith, both as to its leaders as well as to its principles, that make it no different than other so called faiths that seek to impose their will on others through whatever means necessary and are far more hypocrtical than those good ole fashion Baptists......

yeah, overall more like good old fashion nazis

Too bad the little jerks can not gather together as the great rev jimmie jones did with his flock, and serve them all, a good cold glass of kool aid with that little special herb......

meanwhile anybody got a lead on a good dog lawyer?

Not all Muslims would assault a man like this, but enough evidently do take insult over the most innocent of "insults" to Islam. When I see the abuse Catholics, Christians and Jew's take from modern media, it just proves how shallow and venal people are when they know the religion actually is civilized. Let them take a run at Islam the way they make jokes about the Catholic priests or Rabbi's being whatever.....

People from other religions are not that tolerant of free speech either. Recently the biggest newspaper in Finland published a cartoon that had a nazi-soldier buying soap. The soap wrapper said "free range Jew soap". It caused such an outrage that the cartoonist had to apologize and the newspaper removed the cartoon from their website.

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People from other religions are not that tolerant of free speech either. Recently the biggest newspaper in Finland published a cartoon that had a nazi-soldier buying soap. The soap wrapper said "free range Jew soap". It caused such an outrage that the cartoonist had to apologize and the newspaper removed the cartoon from their website.

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That is analogous to what happened to the person physically attacked how?

Physical violence verses indignant letters are not even close to the same except to liberals.

You have to be freaking retarded to get violent over something as stupid as that. Either that or on an ice trip.
However I am guessing this person was the former.

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Originally Posted by Eki

People from other religions are not that tolerant of free speech either. Recently the biggest newspaper in Finland published a cartoon that had a nazi-soldier buying soap. The soap wrapper said "free range Jew soap". It caused such an outrage that the cartoonist had to apologize and the newspaper removed the cartoon from their website.

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Jews write letters to the editors, Muslims threaten and murder the offenders. Just figured you should pay attention to the difference...you and your moral equivalency theory being proved wrong again...

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Jews write letters to the editors, Muslims threaten and murder the offenders. Just figured you should pay attention to the difference...you and your moral equivalency theory being proved wrong again...

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I wish the Jews would write letters to the editors in Gaza and Lebanon instead of what they've been doing. They aren't as peaceful as you like to believe.

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Originally Posted by Eki

I wish the Jews would write letters to the editors in Gaza and Lebanon instead of what they've been doing. They aren't as peaceful as you like to believe.

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You calling all Jews racist killers Eki? I believe you just did.

I guess in Gaza and Lebanon, the Arab Palestinians are just all peaceful right????????????? Eki...you are an insult to rational thought.
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Basically, you lost the last argument, so you divert the topic...

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You calling all Jews racist killers Eki? I believe you just did.

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No, just the ones in Israel, at least a lot of them. BTW, according to similar "logic", you called all Muslims violent lunatics.

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No, just the ones in Israel, at least a lot of them. BTW, according to similar "logic", you called all Muslims violent lunatics.

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No I was very clear to point out that RADICAL Islam are violent lunatics....and I am still waiting for the radical Jew's to mow down a Imam in New York or any other place outside of Israel for posting a cartoon they didn't agree with.

At least the Isreali's go after people launching weaponry at them, for radical Islam to make you a target, all you need to do is make a cartoon of Allah....because even if you are complimentry to Islam, you are an infidel who "mocked" Mohammed and you can be killed.

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At least the Isreali's go after people launching weaponry at them,

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Not just them, but also the innocent civilians nearby, international military observers, charity organizations and anyone else who happens to be in the neighborhood.

According to similar logic, at least Hamas and Hezbollah go after people launching weaponry at them.

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Originally Posted by Eki

No, just the ones in Israel, at least a lot of them.

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As a wise man said (and still does):
"I look forward to killing you soon."*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ask_a_Ninja




*This is a joke, I don't actually want to kill eki. I am not a killer nor a ninja. Am an Israeli though.

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Not just them, but also the innocent civilians nearby, international military observers, charity organizations and anyone else who happens to be in the neighborhood.

According to similar logic, at least Hamas and Hezbollah go after people launching weaponry at them.

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Sure Eki, so rationalize how strapping bombs on a mentally disabled teen and telling her she will be going to a better place if she blows herself up in a checkpoint full of Israeli soldiers is logical?

See you don't want your argument's countered with reality or facts do you?

Last I looked, Israeli's were not asked to donate a teen to the cause of a suicide....

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Sure Eki, so rationalize how strapping bombs on a mentally disabled teen and telling her she will be going to a better place if she blows herself up in a checkpoint full of Israeli soldiers is logical?

See you don't want your argument's countered with reality or facts do you?

Last I looked, Israeli's were not asked to donate a teen to the cause of a suicide....

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Look again. Israel Defense Forces conscript 18 year olds. They are still teens, aren't they?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces

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Look again. Israel Defense Forces conscript 18 year olds. They are still teens, aren't they?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces

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You seem to have gotten things a bit mixed up. I'll try and explain it to you in a way you could relate to:

Conscripting to the army is like when you went to Niinisalo and fired a 122H63 cannon. That is being a soldier.

Suicide (as in the way Mark was talking about) is what you'd be doing if you were to climb into the barrel of the cannon (I know 122 mm is pretty tight but go along) with the other seven crewmen (and preferably some young children as well) unwillingly tagged along.
After everybody is snug inside you'd be asking someone to fire a shell.
If you were good at suicide bombing, you'd be kicking all the soldiers out and making more room for children and other innocent people in the barrel.

That is suicide bombing.

Do you see the subtle difference now?

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Originally Posted by Eki

Look again. Israel Defense Forces conscript 18 year olds. They are still teens, aren't they?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces

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It isn't the same, and you just are trying to hide the fact you are wrong. It is ok Eki, we are used to you being wrong...

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You seem to have gotten things a bit mixed up. I'll try and explain it to you in a way you could relate to:

Conscripting to the army is like when you went to Niinisalo and fired a 122H63 cannon. That is being a soldier.

Suicide (as in the way Mark was talking about) is what you'd be doing if you were to climb into the barrel of the cannon (I know 122 mm is pretty tight but go along) with the other seven crewmen (and preferably some young children as well) unwillingly tagged along.
After everybody is snug inside you'd be asking someone to fire a shell.
If you were good at suicide bombing, you'd be kicking all the soldiers out and making more room for children and other innocent people in the barrel.

That is suicide bombing.

Do you see the subtle difference now?

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We are lucky we have some advanced technology now. In the Winter War, our soldiers destroyed Soviet tanks by Molotov Cocktails and satchel charges they placed on the decks of tanks and tried to take cover before they exploded. Sometimes they stopped the tanks by throwing logs or iron bars into their tracks. Many of them died. You could call them suicide bombers.

For those who don't know what a satchel charge is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satchel_charge

may be but you should say is it possible

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We are lucky we have some advanced technology now. In the Winter War, our soldiers destroyed Soviet tanks by Molotov Cocktails and satchel charges they placed on the decks of tanks and tried to take cover before they exploded. Sometimes they stopped the tanks by throwing logs or iron bars into their tracks. Many of them died. You could call them suicide bombers.

For those who don't know what a satchel charge is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satchel_charge

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Eki...they did so knowing the risks. The brave heros of Palestine love putting bombs on mentally challenged kids and convincing them this is a good thing. Again, you have a problem staying on topic.

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Eki...they did so knowing the risks. The brave heros of Palestine love putting bombs on mentally challenged kids and convincing them this is a good thing. Again, you have a problem staying on topic.

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Come on. If they've put a bomb on a mentally challenged kid once, you think they do it constantly and love doing it. I'm sure most of the suicide bombers know what they're doing. Many of them seem to be widows trying to revenge the death of their husbands.

thanks for this link its really good

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Come on. If they've put a bomb on a mentally challenged kid once, you think they do it constantly and love doing it. I'm sure most of the suicide bombers know what they're doing. Many of them seem to be widows trying to revenge the death of their husbands.

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No..the widows don't. The fact is Eki that there was a few kids that were sent in by their PARENTS to be martyr's. I also find it funny how you can hate the Isreali's for defending their nation but see nothing wrong with the Finn's defending themselves against the Russians in the Winter War. I guess it always comes back to whose ox is being gored eh?

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No..the widows don't. The fact is Eki that there was a few kids that were sent in by their PARENTS to be martyr's. I also find it funny how you can hate the Isreali's for defending their nation but see nothing wrong with the Finn's defending themselves against the Russians in the Winter War. I guess it always comes back to whose ox is being gored eh?

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It's funny how you can hate the Palestinians for defending their homeland but see nothing wrong when Jewish colonialists from Europe and North America have robbed it from them and try to rob more.

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It's funny how you can hate the Palestinians for defending their homeland but see nothing wrong when Jewish colonialists from Europe and North America have robbed it from them and try to rob more.

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I don't HATE the Palestinians. What I hate is this fiction they are the 100% total innocents in any of this. The bald, cold truth is Arab's live as CITIZENS in Israel. They are PALESTINIANS who didn't succumb to the HATE of the Arab world who told all those people in Gaza and the West Bank to NOT go in with Isreal, that THEIR armies would wipe the Jews off the face of the map. That was 1947....and we saw how well that worked.

The reality is, and you wont acknowledge it is the Jew's have as much right o be in Israel as the Arabs, and THEY will admit they have no problem getting a long in peace with Arab nations, and will trade with them, but they will NOT accept having their markets as bomb targets, their town's showered with rockets and having people figure they are something to be wiped out. Israel has the military muscle to push all the Palestinians off Gaza, and the West Bank, and hasn't done so. They told the Palestinian authority they would with draw from Gaza ENTIRELY...including their settlers, in exchange to live in a peaceful co-existence. It wasn't one WEEK after the Israeli Army pulled out that Hamas was lobbing rockets across the border.......so there is your peaceful, innocent Palestinians creating a problem for themselves. What part of "we will leave you alone if you leave us alone" did they not understand?

Hamas has no interest in peace....never has, and neither has Hezbollah. The reality is, a democracy with values, human rights for women and the rule of law isn't good in a the Arab midst because at some point, some clever Arab will figure out that it is his owner leadership that has sold him a bill of goods. Israel has the worst land in the area, and has made the most modern and progressive society. So for you to knock THEM for that is just childish, stupid, and naive...

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It's funny how you can hate the Palestinians for defending their homeland ...

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When was the last time there was a nation called Palestine?

Eki has, of course and as usual, gone completely off topic to mount one of his favourite hobby horses. His hatred of the Israeli nation and people. :(

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Originally Posted by Eki

It's funny how you can hate the Palestinians for defending their homeland but see nothing wrong when Jewish colonialists from Europe and North America have robbed it from them and try to rob more.

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WHat about the "palestinians" home-land in Jordan off of which they were all removed.
Why don't they fight for that, they are as banished from that as they are from the Israeli part.
Please explain your hypocrisy.

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When was the last time there was a nation called Palestine?

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There can be homelands without independent nations. When was the last time there was a nation called Apache, Cheynne, Tibet, Kurdistan, etc.? Even Australian aboriginals had a homeland before Europeans came, although Australian of European origin considered them part of the flora and fauna until 1960s. Palestine was before Israel. And there are still Palestinians living in the land that used to be called Palestine before American and European Jews came.

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WHat about the "palestinians" home-land in Jordan off of which they were all removed.
Why don't they fight for that, they are as banished from that as they are from the Israeli part.
Please explain your hypocrisy.

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Ask them, because I don't know. Actually I don't even know what you're talking about. There are lots of Palestinian refugees in Jordan and as far as I know, Jordan has never been their homeland, they've been just refugees there.

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Eki has, of course and as usual, gone completely off topic to mount one of his favourite hobby horses. His hatred of the Israeli nation and people. :(

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and none of the folk involved were even Jewish or Israeli supporters

in memory of Theo van Gogh

http://bibleprobe.com/muhammed-cartoon6.jpg



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YES Sir, them there two good reasons to go kill somebody.....

And one just for eki, standing up...or more like sticking his neck out...

http://bibleprobe.com/radical-islam.gif

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Ask them, because I don't know. Actually I don't even know what you're talking about. There are lots of Palestinian refugees in Jordan and as far as I know, Jordan has never been their homeland, they've been just refugees there.

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Good Lord boy, get an education, you DO not know much period.

http://palestinefacts.org/images/map...e_overview.jpg

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Good Lord boy, get an education, you DO not know much period.

http://palestinefacts.org/images/map...e_overview.jpg

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I've got an education, thank you. Palestine just wasn't one of the subjects, it was more about control and measurement engineering.

Your map looks weird. Or not impartial anyway, it says something funny like "The Jewish National Home". What the f*** is that? There's never been a country called "The Jewish National Home". Where are the "Muslim National Home" and the "Christian National Home"?

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There can be homelands without independent nations. When was the last time there was a nation called Apache, Cheynne, Tibet, Kurdistan, etc.? Even Australian aboriginals had a homeland before Europeans came, although Australian of European origin considered them part of the flora and fauna until 1960s. Palestine was before Israel. And there are still Palestinians living in the land that used to be called Palestine before American and European Jews came.

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Good Lord Eki. How many times do we have to go over this? Was the land comprising current Israel a nation called Palestine prior to 1948? When was the last time that land was a nation called Palestine? Prior to 1948 were there no Jews living in that land?

Why exactly do you believe that the "Palestinians" have a more legitimate claim to that land than the Jews?

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Why exactly do you believe that the "Palestinians" have a more legitimate claim to that land than the Jews?

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They lived there. They didn't move there from Europe and America like most of the Jews in Israel.

It's funny that Bob doesn't seem to like immigrants who move to the US, but he sees nothing wrong in that the land of the Palestinians was overwhelmed by immigrants. Most of the Jews in Israel are 1st to 3rd generation immigrants.

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They lived there. They didn't move there from Europe and America like most of the Jews in Israel.

It's funny that Bob doesn't seem to like immigrants who move to the US, but he sees nothing wrong in that the land of the Palestinians was overwhelmed by immigrants. Most of the Jews in Israel are 1st to 3rd generation immigrants.

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It's funny that you don't seem to like Jews legally immigrating to Israel, but see nothing wrong with illegal immigration into the US.

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They lived there. They didn't move there from Europe and America like most of the Jews in Israel.

It's funny that Bob doesn't seem to like immigrants who move to the US, but he sees nothing wrong in that the land of the Palestinians was overwhelmed by immigrants. Most of the Jews in Israel are 1st to 3rd generation immigrants.

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Eki I would like to remind you of the fact that evidence states my fore fathers (these guys - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews) lived in this land about 2000 years before The Prophet Muhammad (That would be him - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad) was born and about 1350 before Jesus was.