How to make the WRC more interesting

In 2011, the WRC will move onto to S2000 cars only, those cars sound like a empty tin can. :mad:

Instead, they should design new rally cars EXACTLEY to the regulations they had in 1997 because that would be cheaper because there was less electronics back then. Paddle-shifts should be banned and they should move back to the old gear selection method.

Also, the IRC should be merged into the WRC so there are more drivers/teams/cars in one big championship.

The Safari rally should be brought back and new, boring events like Jordan should go. Some of the IRC locations should be used for the WRC events.

Anyone else agree? :)

New WRC cars are going to be 1.6T, so they will not be that empty and with turbo they will sound like a beast.

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

In 2011, the WRC will move onto to S2000 cars only, those cars sound like a empty tin can. :mad:

Instead, they should design new rally cars EXACTLEY to the regulations they had in 1997 because that would be cheaper because there was less electronics back then. Paddle-shifts should be banned and they should move back to the old gear selection method.

Also, the IRC should be merged into the WRC so there are more drivers/teams/cars in one big championship.

The Safari rally should be brought back and new, boring events like Jordan should go. Some of the IRC locations should be used for the WRC events.

Anyone else agree? :)

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No!

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Originally Posted by Francis44

New WRC cars are going to be 1.6T, so they will not be that empty and with turbo they will sound like a beast.

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A mute beast though. Let me hear a naturally aspirated screamer any day, rather than the woosh, pop, bang of a strangled turbo.

Again, I recommend you think before you post. The vast majority of what you say would be impossible, and there is nothing wrong with the sound of a S2000, though they could be doing with being a bit quicker. Have you ever seen one at an event?

Agree about Safari coming back in though, hopefully will in years to come.

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Originally Posted by J4MIE

Again, I recommend you think before you post. The vast majority of what you say would be impossible, and there is nothing wrong with the sound of a S2000, though they could be doing with being a bit quicker. Have you ever seen one at an event?

Agree about Safari coming back in though, hopefully will in years to come.

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i have at a couple of rallies and to be honest i cant understand why people find them exciting! IMO they seemed underpowered especially during acceleration.

So as for me the new s2k or S1,6K cars will make rallying less
interesting watch then it is now.

How exciting is WTCC compared to DTM?

How many factory teams would you have in that mega-championship of yours? None, of course! So, if you love antique cars, you should go to a classic rally. There are a lot of good events throughout the world. But let's face it, what kind of company would compete and promote vintage technology?

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Originally Posted by Ghostwalker

i have at a couple of rallies and to be honest i cant understand why people find them exciting! IMO they seemed underpowered especially during acceleration.

So as for me the new s2k or S1,6K cars will make rallying less
interesting watch then it is now.

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All depends on the turbo, they could easily be faster than current WRCs.

To be honest I find any well driven car exciting to watch and while I'd agree they are not that powerful I really enjoy watching them, much better than a normal group N car.

What I think we all refuse to admit is that it dosen't matter if cars are going to be cheapper, there will still be an "empty" championship in my opinion.

Nowadays is hard for a manufacter to think on the prospects of a World Rally team. I mean think about it, why spend millions on a rally program, to advert you car models when at this current state sales are pretty low, and we all know why.

Surelly there are still some companys who are willing to spend that amount of money. Citroen is fine and there brand belongs to a big group, just like Skoda, so they cand find money, although not in an huge amount.
Ford still can afford it, although I think if it was for them, the team would have already been scratched, but I reckon M-Sport still holds the team together mainly because they want to sell rally cars, and a World rally team is a perfect window for adverteisment.

I have hope on a bright future for the sport, and I guess sooner or latter the sport will get there, again like it was some years back, but the problem dosent reside on the structure of the sport, but in the World we live in.

What we need is S2000 cars with the F2000 Regulations with four wheel drive 2Ltr N/A engines with rev limiters at 10,000Rpm and no inlet restrictions. 330Bhp easy with a 1000Kg weight limit. Mechanical diffs, Semi Auto gearboxes without paddles, and the calender from 2002.

Simple

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

In 2011, the WRC will move onto to S2000 cars only, those cars sound like a empty tin can. :mad:

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In two and a half years you have posted more than 1700 times. You have started numerous threads and participated in every possible discussion. We could say you have been fairly active on this forum, and sometimes annoyingly so...

And then you manage to start a new thread demonstrating a total lack of knowledge about whats going to happen in 2011. How is it possible to be a rally enthusiast - and on top of that to say the least an extremely active forum user - and still be unaware about the new engine rule with 1.6 turbo planned for 2011??? :rolleyes:

Spot on, Iskald.

I recall writing something like this a couple of years or so back;

In the 70's I watched Grp 4 cars. It was fast & exciting & good to watch.
In the 80's I watched Grp B cars. It was fast & exciting & good to watch.
In the 90's I watched Grp A cars. It was fast & exciting & good to watch.
In the 00's I watched WRC cars. It was fast & exciting & good to watch.

More recently I've been lucky enough to watch some very good drivers in old RWD Grp4 cars again and it's still very good to watch.

Perhaps it's the skill of the top drivers, and not so much the cars, that make it exciting to watch.
I would have preferred the new formula to be S2000 but whether it is, or whether it is S1600T, I'm sure it will still be exciting to watch.

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Originally Posted by J4MIE

All depends on the turbo, they could easily be faster than current WRCs.

To be honest I find any well driven car exciting to watch and while I'd agree they are not that powerful I really enjoy watching them, much better than a normal group N car.

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:up: I agree with you J4MIE, I also enjoy watching the S2000 cars. :s mokin:

It will become interesting when 3-4-5 more Manufacturers join. They should be queuing up to join, but they're not. So, why are they not joining - and I don't mean 'rumours'? Mainly because the WRC is frankly, rubbish - and is not relevant anymore.
I'm not totally sure S1600T are the answer. Getting too expensive - and no exposure in return.

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Originally Posted by Tomski

A mute beast though. Let me hear a naturally aspirated screamer any day, rather than the woosh, pop, bang of a strangled turbo.

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What woosh, pop, bang? On Rally GB last year the WRCars weren't popping or banging any more than the S2000s!

I really hope the new 1.6T engine regs will make a difference because right now the cars sound like they have trifle stuck up their exhausts (although the C4 is much better than the Focus)

I love the sound of naturally aspirated engines and the S2000 are fairly new so they would get faster if they became the new WRC car.

Less electronics, yes, but technology moves forward so do the cars.

Iskald hit the nail right on the head. To be fair though I don't agree with Solitt that the cars these days are good to watch, they just handle too well and have too much traction.

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

Paddle-shifts should be banned and they should move back to the old gear selection method.

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And then you'll find that drivers will destroy several gearboxes during a rally by changing gears without clutch... etc... and the total cost will be more than the current electronic gearbox which never misses a beat. :)

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Originally Posted by N

And then you'll find that drivers will destroy several gearboxes during a rally by changing gears without clutch... etc... and the total cost will be more than the current electronic gearbox which never misses a beat. :)

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Oh no! Drivers will have to use skill? :eek: Perish the thought!

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Originally Posted by N

And then you'll find that drivers will destroy several gearboxes during a rally by changing gears without clutch... etc... and the total cost will be more than the current electronic gearbox which never misses a beat. :)

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How about having a maximum of 2 gearboxs per rally then.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Oh no! Drivers will have to use skill? :eek: Perish the thought!

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Indeed.

All the talk of cost saving is very welcome but no one is making the teams spend the amiunts they do in the first place. Its pure natrually competitive behaviour. If you limit one thing they'll just spend the money elsewhere. Look at F1, ban / limit the circuit testing and what do they do? Spend millions on wind tunnel tesing instead.