A slap on the wrist then.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8266090.stm
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A slap on the wrist then.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8266090.stm
Don'r really get this bit though;
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78770Quote:
The FIA has also stated that former team principal Flavio Briatore will face a lifetime ban from involvement in any of its series - and for anyone involved with him.
So, all his drivers he manages are not allowed in F1.......
Max is a revenge dish best served colder than a dominatix' heart! ;)
So, it's bye bye Flav! :wave:
One scumbag less.
You'd have to say the quick reaction by the Reggie to kick 'da management' out of F1 saved their bacon....
My opinion is that Pat's loyalty to Flav has cost him dear.
I feel a bit sorry for Flavio, but I am happy that Renault are not banned. Flavio should have admitted his guilt, however. Grandprix.com states:
"In determining that such instructions should be applicable for an unlimited period, the World Motor Sport Council has had regard not only to the severity of the breach in which Mr. Briatore was complicit but also to his actions in continuing to deny his participation in the breach despite all the evidence."
Yep, that's right:Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
So they are all free agents now.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIA
IMO Max did them all a favor with his move. :D
Full FIA verdict;
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78771
OK, so, legally, are the FIA allowed to terminate valid contracts in such a way? What is to stop Flavio holding drivers to contracts unless they pay to break them?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
5 years ban in any FIA sanctioned motorsport series, not that many teams would want to get him on board right now after the cheat label has been attached to his forehead.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
The FIA has the right not to renew the superlicenses of the drivers that are associated with Flav because the FIA doesn't want any of it's sanctioned series to be associated with a scumbag.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Because Flav is the reason to all these happening the drivers are entitled to break their contracts with him because otherwise they would lose their right to work which is situated above anything their contracts with Flav might contain.
They can also void the contracts based on not wanting to be associated with a high profile cheater, and I expect them all to do so in order to keep their image clean.
Basically they are all free agents unless Flav gives up on running his own driver management company.
First McLaren's $100 Million fine, and now Renault gets a 2-year ban.
Don't mess with the FIA, they will have your 'nuts' in a pretty big vice and are more-than-willing to turn the screw. :eek: :o
Yes, you can see the consistency oozing out onto the Place de la Concorde, can't you..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by veeten
Thanks, makes perfect sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Personally, I believe this makes Goshn's decision about staying in Formula 1 all the easier.
Now, it'll be down to 4 manufacturers and teams scrambling to find engine deals for '10 and beyond.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78772
I bet they quit....Quote:
We sincerely hope that we can soon put this matter behind us and focus constructively on the future. We will issue further information in the next few days
As a point of order. It's not a 2 year ban. It's a permanent ban, suspended for 2 years. So if Renault do anything in the next two years they are banned permanently.
..........or whip your butt :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by veeten
Well, we can definitely rule out Flav taking over Renault if they decide to leave F1.
I wonder if Pat Symonds will be back in F1? He'll be in his 60s!
Well, if they quit, I will miss them but in the other hand I will be how to say... smug to see F1 with two or three engines next year, as Toyota will likely quit as well. This oh-so-Puritan view, bans for life etc, I know that most people are happy with the fact that Flav and Ron are gone, but this is no church, really. Cheating should be punished, but this quest for purity... as Irvine said, everybody cheats. I believe him. So with this purity ***, I hope that it will end with the next FIA president. If they catch you - DQ for the rest of the year and finish with this. JMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Symonds is a clever guy but he really messed up in his assumption that Flav was still Mr Teflon. Bye bye Flav...you won't be missed by me. as for the "suspended ban" it means nothing, IMO Renault got off lightly by shifting all blame to Flav.
I'm rather disappointed that they just got a suspended ban and that's it. Something like zeroing their points from 2008 would have been appropriate, or even resetting their current 2009 total to zero.
Not much of a penalty for a breach of "unparalleled severity" really is it. Still, Briatore's gone so all's well that ends well. Doesn't it?
I don't think so. The FIA, again, has focused on individuals at the expense of the sport. This decision brushes the incident under the carpet. The action against Briatore and Symonds is similar to that taken against Stepney and Coughlan, and we know how quickly restrictions on them working in motorsport were lifted.
Meanwhile, as far as the world is concerned, Renault will be competing as normal this weekend.
Who is currently under contract to Flavio then?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78770Quote:
It has been decided that for an 'unlimited period' the FIA will not sanction any event, championship, cup, trophy, challenge or series involving Briatore in any capacity...
Isn't Briatore involved in GP2?
At the moment Briatore manages Fernando Alonso, Mark Webber, Heikki Kovalainen, Romain Grosjean in F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Piquet
I'm surprized to see no fine was issued for Renault. I think all these verdicts force Renault to stay in Formula 1 for another 2 years because 1. no money is lost (except for FIA investigation cost that they claim to pay for) and 2. their image will go even worse if they run away right now. I wish all the best for Renault.
Quite, so was this a subliminal 'favour' to Ferrari?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I am not sure that GP 2 is a FIA series. But Max may want to replace it with F2.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Not any more....Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
So in that case they had better all get out of their contracts before the weekend or face exclusion from the Singapore GP?!Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
Do you know? I hadn't thought of that :p ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
my question is....what exactly does a "found guilty of a comparable breach during that time" constitute?Quote:
Originally Posted by autosport
Ah, no. It won't 'renew' the licence of any driver associated with him. So those drivers are ok for this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
You can't have a comparable breach to an unparalleled one I suppose?Quote:
Originally Posted by harsha
They will be terminated by 'Force Majeure' - as Ioan alluded to earlier, if the terms of their contract stop them from being able to work, the contract will be deemed null and void.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Now, at the moment, all FFBB contracted pilots are not allowed near an FIA sanctioned event, so they cannot work......
Found guilty of race fixing again.......Quote:
Originally Posted by harsha
Also, I wonder if Flav will be kick out of QPR for breaching 'fit and proper' businessman test?
Aren't superlicences renewed annually? That gives them until either the turn of the year or the start of next season (I forget which) to get out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Not that I expect they'll delay in any way, but still.
[And, about the link I posted in the other (now locked) thread - I *know* the writer was obviously not an F1 fan, and got mixed up on several points. I posted it because he was so obviously an outsider who had decided F1 was a mud pit, not in spite of it. This sort of thing does real damage to F1's reputation, and covering it up for a bit only makes it worse when it eventually does come out.]
The BBC says this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto.../8266090.stm):Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
"The Italian has been banned indefinitely from attending any FIA events. A route back into F1 was made more difficult for Briatore as the FIA declared it would not grant a license to any team he was involved with or renew a Superlicence granted to any driver associated with him."
Wow - he loses his agency business too?
So - RenaultF1 - suspended sentence because upper mgmt took steps to deal with those who broke the rules.
Flav & Symmonds - bans for five years for Mr. Symmonds and indefinite for Mr. Briatore AND Flavio will be unable to manage any team or driver.
I think that is a fair punishment.
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...er-management/
Briatore gets a f bomb from meQuote:
One current F1 star was reputedly offered a 15-year deal – with 50% of his income going to FFBB – when he was still in karts. He declined to take up the offer.