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Flavio may have ample cause to regret firing Piquet before long...
It was more likely to have been Elvis riding Shergar behind a grassy knoll, but I guess people love a good conspiracy theory.
Ha, I thought it was quite convenient at the time! Can't see it ever being proved even if it did happen.
Don't believe everything you read!
Although I believe it is quite possibly true!
If he had some way to substanciate the claim, he could sue Flav for every penny he has for asking him to purpoely put his life at risk.
in the execution of doing a Job that does not include purposely crashing cars in races!
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21777.html
AUGUST 30, 2009
Allegations fly over Singapore 2008
The Brazilian TV station Globo has claimed that Nelson Piquet was ordered to crash by the Renault team during the Singapore GP last year. The accident resulted in a Safety Car which played into the hands of Fernando Alonso, who had pitted just before the accident occurred. The result was that Renault was able to win the race.
There were suspicions at the time that this had happened but there was no proof. Since Piquet was fired by Renault, claims have been flying around and Globo says that it has received information that there is evidence to back up the story. We hear that the FIA may call in an independent body to investigate the claims being made.
Now this is something unexpected.
Only if they can prove it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
There has to be something to carbonate this other than a disgruntled ex-employee. Duh!
Am I dreaming, or was there a similar thread which disappeared? Anyhoo, I don't buy it. No team boss would order their driver to deliberately risk their lives by crashing, just to help out a team mate. Would they? :s
I'd be less surprised if Michael Jackson drove for Ferrari next race.
that would be huge if true, however i would imagine there is absolutely no proof - if it was on radio transmissions it would have come out at the time surely?!
i doubt piquet downloaded the instructions onto the IPOD whilst driving, although that might make some account for his driving.
unless someone in the team supports the claim i can't honestly see anything coming from it - thats not to say i couldn't imagine it having happened, nothin surprises me anymore.
what excuses is Piquet coming up with for all his other crashes/spins etc? it was hardly out of Character was it.
and if such a stupid instruction came out, and Piquet was stupid enough to endager himself and the other drivers by actualy following it through then he is a bigger fool than i already thought
Maybe that's why Piquet was kept on for the second season, to buy his silence! It certainly wasn't due to race pace. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
I don't buy it, but given how much Flav appears to like Alonso and dislike Piquet.... well, stranger things have happened
FIA seem to be investigating:
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/...investigation/Quote:
FIA confirms investigation
August 30, 2009 by joesaward
The FIA has confirmed that there is an investigation under way regarding what the spokesperson called “alleged incidents at a previous FIA Formula 1 World Championship event”.
The confirmation comes following reports on Brazilian TV that Renault driver Nelson Piquet was ordered to crash by the Renault team in the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix to enable his team-mate Fernando Alonso to take advantage of an early pit stop in order to win a surprising victory.
If (bold, italics and underlined - I'd make it flash in giant red letters if only I could) there's any truth in this then Flavio should be kicked out of F1 for good. But I repeat: I'd be amazed if it's true.
Shades of Schumacher binning it during qualifying at Monaco to red flag the session? Difficult to prove, unless there's some serious "smoking gun" evidence, but sadly I CAN see it happening. Stretches the definition of teamwork and strategy to the absolute limit, but a quick glance at F1 history will tell you it's more than possible.
To me this can not be proved.
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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
i wouldn't be amazed if its true, i would, however, be amazed if they can prove anything
Apparently an investigation has been launched immediately after the race and was carried out by a private company.
It might just be that with Piquet being fired by Renault they managed to put together the latest missing pieces in the puzzle and now they are going for Flavio.
I wouldn't bother if they rid the paddock of him.
BTW, rumor is that after the race Felipe has learned from Piquet what happened and he had a word with Flav and than complained to the FIA.
Oh goody, another scandal! However this one is unlikely to have a paper trail to prove it - otherwise Renault would never of sacked PQ.
Now, however, I see that despite his pleasant attitude, the little Piquet is as venomous as his father. The dark side is strong with them...
The accident itself was really quite odd (read: suspicious) as I recall it: oversteering on the accelerator out of a 90 degree turn enough to loop it HARD into the INSIDE wall that he demolished his Renault.
Is this how you all remember it?
Ioan I agree with everything you stated in your post, except I'm indifferent to Flavio.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I am only quoting the part I would like to address.
If Pique has fabricated this story, and then told it to Massa. If it can somehow be proved
I believe Pique should be banned from racing period!
I don't think he did. But if so, and it can be substantiated.
Flavio will get everything NP ever owned after the slander settlement!
IIRC the Renaults had 'extra paddles' behind the steering wheel that changed the level of torque transferred or something like that, and experts surmised that Piquet was crossed up working those paddles through the corner. But that was just an assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
I would not be surprised.
Aren't all F1 radio transmissions monitored?
So how could Renault tell Piquet to crash without somebody from the FIA hearing it?
Keep moving....Nothing to see here.
Autosport are also mentioning it now, and confirm that an FIA investigation is underway: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78195
how hard would it be ?
did redbull tell toro rosso to do it
Piquet Jr. himself dismissed any talk of him deliberately crashing in the April issue of F1 Racing:
Of course, he was still driving for Renault at that time ;)Quote:
Yeah, I wanted to try and kill myself to help Fernando get a podium. I was pushing hard and I spun. The team called Fernando in at the right moment. Sh!t happens for me and he gets lucky. Like in pre-season testing this year!"
But seriously, I can't see that having happened: First, I don't think Piquet is that much of a team player-he probably wouldn't have done something that makes him look stupid just to help the team. Second, as such a move can hardly be pre-planned, Renault would have had to find a way to let Piquet know when to crash without the other teams and the FIA noticing.
It was, if the allegations are true, thought up pre-race and they possibly didnt even need to tell him anything during the race on the radio.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Just a board out from the pit area that its lap xx, which was enough for Piquet for him to know what to do then.
I suspect this will be a very hard thing to prove conclusively — which shouldn't stop the FIA imposing a penalty no matter what the outcome is, on recent form.
Can Max leave this troublesome question to Jean or Ari?
what a mess. why investigate now?
So if a crime is committed today and nobody knows about this crime till next years july, should it not be investigated?Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
this isn't a criminal act or a matter of law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Trust me, I would be happy to have Hamilton gain some extra points in the end, and imagine if massa had won the WDC, and then this comes out, so 8 months later they would overturn the championship and award it to hamilton.
Now if they are going to investigate past incidents, the first one to start with would be the disgrace at Spa last year.
Also, so what punishment should Renault 2009 receive for acions in Renault 2008. It is a mess, and I am not saying Renault are not guilty, I just don't see what difference it makes today.
What I do see is FIa/Mosley's now firmly setting their sights on Renault as they did on Maclaren. MM wants another $100 million fine, and expulsion to get one over his fota rivals and destroy the organization on the way out.
This kind of action is unprecedented in every way and smells fishy. I supposes the chief informant is Piquet, but there would have to be proper evidence to support his claim. And i am not sure that there is any. It is too far fetched of a conspiracy for it to be true.
...then again, we might be all jumping the gun and the FIA is investigating soemthing else.
After Alonso's pit stop obviously, what was so hard to plan about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by gm99
All they needed was to tell Piquet to bin it at corner x after they tell him to push (something they do often).
this is highly unlikely and I seriously doubt that there is any proof.
Now if it is proven somehow(we all knoe FIA's standards for reprimands) then piquet is just as guilty as flav and the team. If renault get banned, he should too and be stripped of a super license. Trust me, if it were true and as soon as piquet was told to do so, he had all the trump cards in his hand. If he did not comply and continued to race, then there is nothing Renault could have done without that being exposed. So he would have been in complete control of his destiny.
To me is simply looked like just another one of many, many piquet accidents.
Remember that Kimi, and Sutil crashed too. all 3 incidents looked like racing accidents and out of those 3 piquet's accident surprised me the least.
If he didn't do it he would have been shown the door. How could he have been in control of is destiny? What was there to prove that they asked him to crash if he didn't even do it?!
LOL how true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Renault tells Piquet to push harder and he promptly complies by crashing. That is more likely story to me as I am sure that it wouldn't be the first time that happened. :rolleyes:
the same evidence that showed he was ordered to crash, the fact that he did or did not do it is irrelevant to the evidence ordering him to do it. And if he didn't and had further instructions or dubious communications, then hes treasure chest of evidence would only have grown to his advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
All on all, I think this is highly implausible anyway and maybe they are investigating something else.
But TBH I think they should just leave 2008 alone and move forward.
The way he binned it was very strange and it was questioned back then.
Also he had a spin earlier (during the formation lap)that looked like a copy of the real one, just that he controlled perfectly to the extent that he didn't even lose his place on the grid.
Definite it should be investigated and especially now when Renault kicked Piquet. Because I don’t think every one tell the truth in that case. And I hope and believe that it’s not Alonso who is the liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
FIA should investigate this as soon and as quickly as it is possible..
The FIA has been investigating this ever since it happened, now it's just the moment when they found something good enough so they leaked a bit of info to the press.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas123f1