7 races in and the points are vettel ahead by 1.5 points but this may not be the case if the Malaysian had not been washed out mark would have got 3 points and they would be equal on points
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7 races in and the points are vettel ahead by 1.5 points but this may not be the case if the Malaysian had not been washed out mark would have got 3 points and they would be equal on points
no use complaining bro. MAD MAX ( MAX A.K.A pu****) is the boss now daysQuote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
It's enjoyable seeing Mark in a good car for a change.
Well at the start of the season I was hoping for big things given that w/ the new regulations, new car and Vettel onboard Red Bull were in a good position but w/ respect to Mark thought he was done. I felt he had to many brain fades and just wouldn't be able to keep the car on the line and would start his usual blame the car not himself for the failures (bit like a certain pariah of the circuit has been blasted for in recent weeks ;) ) but as a Red Bull fan and being from Canberra (just next to Queanbeyan) i'm VERY happy to have been proved incorrect. I still don't think he has that extra bit needed to climb to the top of the podium without some luck falling his way w/ other drivers retiring but he is definitely a podium contender and has really come out of his shell this yr - and of course being in RBR it's good that my doubts have been thoroughly washed away
I hope that Mark gets energized by being this close. Vettel will likely have a lot of cracks at the title, but this might realistically be Mark's last chance.
Vettel would probably be further ahead in points if it wasn't for his inexperience. Mark has the upper hand in that arena and his patience along with determination have allowed Webber to shine.
Seb needs a little more time with an F1 car under his belt. The crash with Kubica in Australia (resulting in a stupid penalty), stalling the car at Malaysia and lastly his crash at Monaco have all been point scoring opportunities. Once he settles down Webber will have a handful.
One more thing...can someone tell me who's better at qualifying? :D
Depends who has the lightest fuel load :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
You didn't answer my question. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Vettel has qualified lighter than Webber at every race when they have both made it to Q3, except Spain where they were the same weight, and yes he out qualified him.
I'm looking forward to the remainder of the season as Webber's leg is getting stonger and his confidence is growing all the time.
Whatever the outcome it's a great combination. Go redbull.
Despite Webber's good form this year, I can't help thinking that the only title he'll rob before his career ends is that of Chris Amon: "Best F1 driver without a win" or alternatively "Most unlucky F1 driver."
Na he'll win a race before the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Cummins
I'm thrilled for Mark. He's a top bloke and finally after years of pushing around wheelbarrows at last he has a decent car. The only strange thing is that as a recognised qually specialist its odd that its been his race performances that have been the most impressive thing about his season so far.
If you want to judge them based on fuel corrected qualifying, be my guest :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Webber has also had a lot of bad luck - taken out on first lap at Australia, blocked in Q1 at Bahrain. But Vettel has only himself to blame for his mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
And all with a dodgy leg too ;)
Yes indeed the 32 years, 9 months and 14 day old is really putting all his 130 race experience to good use against the 21 years, 11 months and 9 days old with just 34 races under his belt... of course Vettel may have 2 more wins than Mark and 3 more poles than him but well done all the same Mark...
You may never be WDC but you're a sound bloke and may yet have a Buttonesq revival... just hang on in there
They have no chance whatsoever this year for the drivers title, maybe the constructors one given how poor Ruby is driving every 2nd GP.Quote:
Originally Posted by tintop
I suppose it will the same excuse for the following 3 seasons! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
Fettel is over-rated, and Mark maybe a little under.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerebro de la Vaca
I think the guy (Fettel) reads his own news clippings to much.
Mark is utilitarian, showing that with a decent car he's got the goods.
No big surprise to me if MW outscores Fettel.
In fact I'd be willing to bet on it! :s mokin:
What has Max got to do with Red Bull, and how is him being boss of FIA in any way relevant to teammate rivalry "within" Red Bull?!? WTF? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by race_director
My opinion is that while Webber is a very good driver, and a prolific qualifier, he probably isn't a "special" driver, and it would be difficult for him to beat Vettel, lucky or not lucky, whatever. But if Red Bull make a world beater next year by any chance, I expect Vettel to be in front in the championship. He probably just has that extra tenth that Mark doesn't have, all the experience comparisons put aside.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
Not entirely sure that you know much about Formula one based on your last comment. There is no Fettel in formula and even without checking I am confident there never has been.Quote:
Fettel is over-rated, and Mark maybe a little under.
I think the guy (Fettel) reads his own news clippings to much.
Mark is utilitarian, showing that with a decent car he's got the goods.
No big surprise to me if MW outscores Fettel.
In fact I'd be willing to bet on it
Drivers for the most part have no control over how the media decide to 'hype or ignore' them. I would say that most if not all commentators who actually know and follow the sport rate Vettel highly and Webber also for that matter.
As for drivers believing their own media clippings, again if you where referring to Vettel (as your comment was not clear on that) well I would say he is more grounded than most and has always praised his team for all his success, unlike many others.
I am sure he is merely spelling it the way Vettel is pronounced in German, as "Fettel". I'm sure Taz didn't mean any disrespect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper_S
P.S.: Maybe he did. :p
I was making sport of SV's name as those in the chat notice every race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper_S
I think they view it in the light hearted sense that I use it.
In fact, I,ve gotten other "brethren of ye old chat" using it their too :eek:
Did we get our feelings hurt?
Why don't you loosen your tie, and unstuff your shirt.
Oh yea', and make a bet with me while your at it! :laugh:
I think Vettel has Mark in outright pace.
Happy to be proven wrong, but I don't see Mark winning a race on outright pace if Button or Vettel are still in the race.
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Originally Posted by Tazio
Thank you for the concern but I am in jeans and tee shirt so am quite relaxed...
I am sorry that not being part of your 'chat' (whatever tham may be) I was unfamiliar with your use of Fettel ... Many thanks for explaining your self I shall be better able to assess your meaning in future...
As I an not Sebastien Vettel I personally did not have my feeling hurt so please do not concern yourself fruther on that score.
Umm... an internet wager... OK you're on...
Based on the fact at present they are almost equal in the points standing, I'll wager Vettel will continue to outscore Webber over the remainder of the season and I take it you'll wager the reverse
Not so fast my eager friend. BTW you can always find the Chat addressQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooper_S
as Pino places it as a sticky on this F1 board before Quali every race
I would like to cordually welcome you.
Valve Bounce is our usual "ambassador of goodwill" and has posted many times for members to join in.
As for the "Sig Bet" these things are best negotiated with PM's
Message me and I will propose my terms. You are quit welcome to Pino's chat. It's a real kick in the pants.
Cheers my man :)
He has the canny ability to disappoint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper_S
He was useless and played the spoilt brat in Turkey. If it was Hamilton he would've gone for broke and tried at every oppurtunity but Vettel gave up after a few laps and fell back a bit.
Not quite Alonso vetting his fury at the McLaren pit wall in 2007 US GP, but Vettel attempting to set fastest lap after dropping back to Webber and told to turn down the engine is a sign things aren't too rosy inside RBR which culminated after the race when he threw out his handbags by criticising the 3 stopper.
I won't be surprised if he's asking for team orders by now.
I think that Seb is faster that Mark, but Mark doesn't make so many mistakes. I'd like to see Mark outscoring Vettel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Bookmarked! I'll revisit this post at the end of the season! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Got a problem with drivers having a personality?! Looks like that to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
No I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Senna once told Mansell "now you know why I'm B'stard". I'm happy to live with that because that's what it takes to be successful in F1 these days.
People who think Vettel is a Mr Nice Guy are clearly delusional.
You're on!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
I'll be in the mood for a Big Kahuna burger by the end of this season.
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Originally Posted by ioan
They have a chance, not a great chance, but a chance .... first mechanical for a Brawn this weekend, who knows? In fact, they are further behind in the constructors championship than they are in the Driver's, so that logic doesn't work out for you so well either.
Webber has in the past few years seemed quite a heidfeldesque driver (I mean his pre-08 form here) - hardly "spectacular", but keeps racking up consistently good results all the time. It's quite interesting, because up-and-including 2006 Webber seemed more like current Vettel - on his day spectacular, but more prone to mistakes (and he had a lot of unluck as well).
In that respect current duel reminds a of bit of Kubica (fast and inexperienced) vs Heidfeld (experienced, consistent) from 2006-2007.
I've to say that overall Vettel is a bit more impressive than Webber, although their battle is of course quite close. The fact that Vettel has had Webber nicely under control in qualis - area, which has usually been MW's strength - is quite telling. Dodgy strategies haven't helped SV either. If Webber had already lost two races to Vettel due to strategy, the amount of complaints on this forum would be unbearable. :p : But here people tend not to take much notice of Vettel's poor strategies and keep saying, how more experienced Webber is showing him up - nah...
I am sure SV will out score Webber this year.and if RBR make it difficult for SV ,then lots of doors will be open for him with his youth and ability,whereas not as many doors will be open for the Australian
Ferrari would sign Vettel with Alonso
What Mister Max has to do with this I will never know.
SV, IMO is better, and will be soon, much better than MW ever had the potential to be.
I got a question (or two) for ya'll.
Is there any truth to the rumor, that MW was only hired in exchange for Renault engines?
SV also took out MW at his only chance for a win, any love lost there?
China's post race interviews seemed a bit loveless from MW's side.
Any truth to this?
They score with 2 drivers/team in the constructors championship so as long as they lose they lose more as soon as they win they win more, and luckily for them Ruby is past his sell by date.Quote:
Originally Posted by tintop
Interesting analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
it did look that way, but it seemed from the body language mark exhibited in chatting w/ Jensen they were more bemused that Sv kept getting asked repeated questions at their expense - funnily enough the same question kept being asked of SV his straight forward answers were nice to hear (yes i'm upset but what can you do? All said with huge grin on face)Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
There is no point in saying this really. Vettel threw it away, simple as. His tyres were not up to temperature, given. But neither were anyone else's. Button was pushing to hold onto the back on Vettel for the opening stint (which turned out to be a pretty handy job.) Its possible (and, in my view, probable) that Vettel cracked under pressure with Button on his tail. Pushing too hard? I don't know, maybe just a lapse in concentration. Had that not happened, who knows? You say he would have kept Button behind until the first stops at least. But Button was quicker than Vettel for all of that stint, and kept increasing his lead in the opening laps. After the first stint, Vettel did push hard and brought the gap down considerably during the second stint :up: But not enough to threaten the leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Anyway, that race aside, I think Vettel is a star in the making. But one thing that a lot of drivers don't have is Webber's leadership qualities. He has my respect having watched him work in conjunction with his fellow racers after the red flag came out for the Malaysian GP earlier this year. Webber is a guy who needs to have every detail fall into place for him. But all too often, something just stands in the way of his first win, or another good podium.