End of the discussion. Lewis. is not another SCHUMI

Over the last couple of years there has been a lot of noise , especially fraom the star sports idiot's like steve slatter, Chris Goodwin, alex young ( the guy who did not even race a entire season. and the only guy who could predict a race plan, while seating in studio in singapore, even though the race was being held some 10K KM away in spain ) about how lewis would be the person who is as best as schumacher.


Even though we could not really see the battle between them, since schumi got bored after conquering all the title and decided to retire in 2006. But i would personally loved to see him spank lewis on the track :) .

Anyway coming back to today's race. Lewis started from last and finished 12th, for which he has been giving statements as if he won the race.

On the other hand after the so called parking gate incident in 2006, schumi finished 5th after starting from last in MONACO.

I guess the world champion stuff he had ( what steve slater and alex young had predicted that lewis would finish in top 5 today, by charging of the field today) just do not exit. its same like jenson winning in a good car.


On the other hand Schumacher fought battle's even when he was driving a busted car in 1996-1997-2006.



SO who is the real champion ?

I'm not particually a Lewis Hamilton fan but you can hardly base the comparable greatness of him and Schumacher upon one particular race where it is extremely difficult to overtake. Lest not forgets it was a race which Lewis managed to win last year in wet conditions.

Make your comparisons when Lewis's career is over. He's not exactly down and out just yet.....just look at the career of Jenson Button.

Lewis spent the day doing in-season testing for his team, not trying to be a schumi. Lewis and schumi are drivers from different eras.

Even Schumi had the odd bad days eg. 2006 Hungarian GP where he came back down to earth and looked like an idiot staying out on worn inters.

I getting confused.. tell me again who is Jenson another of now....


So Lewis is not another Schumacher... is that meant to be some new insight... Schumacher was not another Senna... Senna was not another Fangio... Damon was not another Graham... etc, etc...

The best Lewis can hope for is to be the best Lewis Hamilton he can be... he had a bad race this weekend but he never stoped trying so well done Lewis

It's a bit early for comparisons IMHO. Not even Schumi was another Schumi by a comparative stage of his career.

at this stage i think he is better then ralf

There will never be another SchM. Move on, please!!

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Originally Posted by race_director

Anyway coming back to today's race. Lewis started from last and finished 12th, for which he has been giving statements as if he won the race.

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After he won the wdc, i figured we would have all sorts of stuff sprewing forth from his mouth about how great he was, , but instead he was very quiet almost humble, afterwards, right up until he started explaining how Ryan and macLaren tricked him into beleiveing he could lie and get away with it... :confused:

now he seems to have a return of big mouth sprewing about how great and wonderful he is, even when he don't do squat.......... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by 45 Below

It's a bit early for comparisons IMHO. Not even Schumi was another Schumi by a comparative stage of his career.

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Excellent point. And it was many races before Mika Hakkinen even scored a first win.

And those two along with Lewis do share something, as they were often their own worst enemies on the track. Lewis virtually handed his first WDC to Kimi by pressuring himself for no reason.

For now Lewis continue to follow the footsteps of JV. It is eerily similar.

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

The best Lewis can hope for is to be the best Lewis Hamilton he can be... he had a bad race this weekend but he never stoped trying so well done Lewis

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I think that Lewis being the best that he could be and to keep in trying......leaves in a company of at least ten other people. So...nothing real special there. I agree with the first comment. The fact that he slammed and destroyed all his chances on quali day seems..well....not a big deal when all the media was talking about how "frustrated" was Kimi for "only" being second.

The mistake he made, IMO, is paramount and that's the sign that he gave up for this year. And mind you...he was the only one who had an accident like that. His toy is broken and so his willingness to win. It's too late now. who cares anymore? A little bit a la Kimi.

But from there to emphasize that the 12th spot is sooooooo not bad at all,
I don't know. If you are happy, I'll be happy too for you.... I guess,

The starter of the thread doesn't know a thing about F1 if he jumps to conclusions about Hamilton's skills based on this season. You know, we all know what's the problem: The car. It's slow and difficult to drive.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

There will never be another SchM. Move on, please!!

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two were enough i'd say

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

There will never be another SchM. Move on, please!!

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time will tell

? Gina-Maria (born in 1997) and Mick (born in 1999)

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Originally Posted by eu

two were enough i'd say

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i wonder why redbull did not get him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Stahl

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Sebastian Stahl (born 20 September 1978 in Germany) is a race car driver nicknamed Schumi III as he is the stepbrother of Formula One drivers Michael Schumacher and Ralf Schumacher. His mother had married their father.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think many of us here are very relieved to learn that Lewis is not another Schumacher... Why on earth would a driver even want to be compared in that way?? Surely they aim to be understood in their own right? Comparing Monaco performances which couldn't be more different is a little pointless too IMO. Ferrari had by far the fastest car in 2006, whereas Mclaren do not in 2009. Schumacher had also got 15 years worth of experience by 2006 and Lewis was on his third Monaco... I could go on but not really in the mood for educating today.. I can understand this thread was started as a joke originally but people on here before long, will start to take this sort of thing seriously. The Lewis haters and the Schumi haters will come out of the woodwork and before long you have a childish rant of pointless dribble...

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Pretty much.

Hamilton was never meant to be the next MS.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Hamilton was never meant to be the next MS.

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No driver is.

No driver is ever meant to be the next 'xyz' driver anyway, they carve out their own legacy.

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Originally Posted by Malllen

No driver is.

No driver is ever meant to be the next 'xyz' driver anyway, they carve out their own legacy.

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I know. I was referring to those claims we so often see from some fans.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Hamilton was never meant to be the next MS.

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You've got that right. I used to like Lewis - he was a rookie, pitted against the double WDC in the same team and could hold his own. He is a great driver if he has a great car. But when others have a better car, he cannot cope with the situation and just crumbles.

And to compare him with SchM is just plain silly.

yes Lewis is not Michael - he doesn't take out his championship rival intentionally to try and win the championship, instead he makes a series of first race rookie mistakes to cost himself the title, while he lies to the stewards he then apologises and he has absolutely excelled since entering F1 but due to fate/fortune has until now been handed the golden key of a front-running team.

Lewis is Lewis, Schumi was Schumi.......no way were they ever going to be the same because even if Lewis dominated like Schumacher did his legacy woud be different because his style is different. The sport is better for having had both

i hate this "the next......." bull.

Schumacher cant be compared to Senna
Hamilton cant be compared to Schumacher

Its stupid as the series is considerable different when the respective drivers were at their prime.

Senna was the best at his time
Schumacher had the best car for ages and was the best driver because of this.

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Originally Posted by 71minus2

Senna was the best at his time

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That's arguable.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

You've got that right. I used to like Lewis - he was a rookie, pitted against the double WDC in the same team and could hold his own. He is a great driver if he has a great car. But when others have a better car, he cannot cope with the situation and just crumbles.

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Lewis can polish a piece of turd better than Button

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Originally Posted by wedge

Lewis can polish a piece of turd better than Button

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Yep! :up:

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Originally Posted by Malllen

No driver is.

No driver is ever meant to be the next 'xyz' driver anyway, they carve out their own legacy.

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Yeah...but. Last year you were here and you must remember how people were already talking how Lewis was already better than MS. Lewis himself saying he was better than MS. I remember (Evil?) Homer talking how in percentage Lewis was alreday way ahead of Schumi and blah..blah..blah. The fact of matter is: the king is dead...hurray for the king. Once one dies people have to have a new one very quickly and, sadly enough, at time that would be whoever.

MS will never be replaced and if F1 continues changing any future comparisons would be totally impossible to make.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Lewis can polish a piece of turd better than Button

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This doesn't smell right. :(

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Originally Posted by Tumbo

yes Lewis is not Michael - he doesn't take out his championship rival intentionally to try and win the championship, instead he makes a series of first race rookie mistakes to cost himself the title, while he lies to the stewards he then apologises and he has absolutely excelled since entering F1 but due to fate/fortune has until now been handed the golden key of a front-running team.

Lewis is Lewis, Schumi was Schumi.......no way were they ever going to be the same because even if Lewis dominated like Schumacher did his legacy woud be different because his style is different. The sport is better for having had both

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I do not think i have ever come across a single instance when MS went and cried to the press even in 2005 or before that saying that the team and the car were never good. he always took the responsibility that it was his job to try to finish ahead regardless of what car he was driving. That's the stuff, what champions are made of. Champions do not go and cry or sit on there father's lap when they have a bad race, They move on.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think many of us here are very relieved to learn that Lewis is not another Schumacher...

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Yeah, who would want Golden Lewis to win 7 titles and 91 races :D

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Originally Posted by henners88

Me...... I think the going rate is 3 world championships to make a legend these days isn't it?

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A legend is more than just that.

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Originally Posted by race_director

I do not think i have ever come across a single instance when MS went and cried to the press even in 2005 or before that saying that the team and the car were never good. he always took the responsibility that it was his job to try to finish ahead regardless of what car he was driving. That's the stuff, what champions are made of. Champions do not go and cry or sit on there father's lap when they have a bad race, They move on.

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On the contrary, champions are to an extent the biggest moaners, they moan and moan until they get what they want in the team. Prost certainly was like that, some say Alonso is that way as well...

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

On the contrary, champions are to an extent the biggest moaners, they moan and moan until they get what they want in the team. Prost certainly was like that, some say Alonso is that way as well...

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I kinda agree with you over here. He tried to be champion in 2007 by crying over the team not supporting issue. last year he cried and won on Stewards punishing him more issue.

I have always said he should never be compared to Schumacher no matter how much you dislike him :p :

McLaren will be back on their game at Silverstone and Lewis will be troubleing the top again. Then you can get back to moaning about him always being at the top in a good car :rolleyes:

People need to learn that that there is only comparrisons. Your team mate.

Lets drag this thread up in 5 years time ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

That's arguable.

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Why doesn't that surprise me? You are the only forum member i know that could start an argument in an empty house.

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Originally Posted by race_director

I kinda agree with you over here. He tried to be champion in 2007 by crying over the team not supporting issue. last year he cried and won on Stewards punishing him more issue.

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I would be intersted to know the percentage of races that Schumacher won where you can directly link having the help of a team mate as a contributing factor towards achieving those wins. I suspect it would be quite subjective and pretty hard to calculate though.

MS was a great driver but there has definately been a move away from team tactics which we saw in previous years. It's much harder and a better indiator of talent when it's every man for themselves so to speak. If your beating your team mate you should be relatively happy. However drivers can't rest on their laurels because sooner or later thier team will get someone most probably cheaper and a few years younger that might just be that little bit faster. Hell they might even be a bit luckier which can be incredibly helpful in F1.

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Originally Posted by 71minus2

Why doesn't that surprise me? You are the only forum member i know that could start an argument in an empty house.

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True, but I let Ioan off the hook this time round since he was referring to the Prost vs. Senna argument.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

On the contrary, champions are to an extent the biggest moaners, they moan and moan until they get what they want in the team. Prost certainly was like that, some say Alonso is that way as well...

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Which is probably the only reason why I like Lewis as McLaren driver. He's moaning but its emotively half-arsed without making him look bad by throwing his toys out and making the team look bad.

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Originally Posted by race_director

I do not think i have ever come across a single instance when MS went and cried to the press even in 2005 or before that saying that the team and the car were never good. he always took the responsibility that it was his job to try to finish ahead regardless of what car he was driving. That's the stuff, what champions are made of. Champions do not go and cry or sit on there father's lap when they have a bad race, They move on.

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Totally true

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Originally Posted by henners88

Me...... I think the going rate is 3 world championships to make a legend these days isn't it? Plus I don't think he can be referred to as 'Golden Lewis' after his behaviour earlier in the season thank you very much... Although being a cheat is one step closer to emulating Schumacher :p

Anyway thats history, and its still extremely early in his career to be assuming he won't go on the be one of the greats... Schumacher achieved an amazing amount of race wins and WDC's but does he have the same level of respect as some of his predecessors? Probably not... He's the best there has been, but he's certainly not the greatest....

Right, I'm off to polish my Lotus.. :s mokin:

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Yes he is. What I can certanly tell you is that Lewis is never going to achieve, cheating or not, what MS has achieved.

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Originally Posted by 71minus2

Why doesn't that surprise me? You are the only forum member i know that could start an argument in an empty house.

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........................under a metre of wet concrete. :p :