Bad news for F1- Mosley may stay President beyond 2009

Max Mosley will decide in June whether to commit to the FIA presidency for another four-year term.

The 68-year-old Briton, earlier this year embroiled in a sex scandal but now hailed by some as the champion of a new sustainable formula one, said at the Motor Sport Business Forum in Monaco: “I don’t think I shall stand again, but we shall see.”

His current term runs out late in 2009.

Mosley had earlier ruled out remaining president into his 70s, but in the immediate aftermath of the sex scandal this year he admitted “pressure” to stay on.

“I am delaying a decision until June,” he said on Wednesday.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/12/1...t-beyond-2009/

Thank Goodness!!! Max is feeling the "pressure" because some folks have been really naughty but max knows how to :arrows: out of them

September 6th, 2000- Max Mosley says that last week’s unsuccessful attempt by several Formula 1 team bosses to oust him as president of the FIA has convinced him to seek re-election when his current term of office ends in 2001..."“If people start saying ‘you have to go’, my immediate reaction is ‘I’ll have to stay’,” said Mosley. “It always has the opposite effect on me. So I will stand for re-election again next year – provided it’s quite clear that the majority of the clubs want me."

July 16th, 2004 - Max Mosley has decided to stay on as president of the FIA until at least the end of his elected term in 2005. Mosley, who announced on July 1 that he intended to resign his position at the end of October, a year early, has been convinced to stay on by the FIA Senate. In a statement released by the FIA, Mosley was ‘unanimously called on' to rescind his decision and was informed that his early departure would damage the interests of the FIA. Mosley claims that he received approaches from all sections of the FIA who went as far as to suggest that it would be irresponsible for him to step down this year. Mosley said that he felt bound to accede the senate's request.

So when people say he should go/resign he stays, and when they say he should stay he stays :laugh:

He's flip-flopped over this same "dilemma" in the same way every time his term is almost up, and the end result is always the same. He stays.

I'm speachless.... I didn't see this one coming

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He's flip-flopped over this same "dilemma" in the same way every time his term is almost up, and the end result is always the same. He stays.

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Flip-flopped? What is that?? Sounds pretty kinky to me..does the NOTW know about this??

I am glad he stays....he proves that truth is stranger than fiction

Nobody seriously expected Max to keep to his word did they.

Leopard.... Spots.

Max Mosley in changing his mind shocker! Next week's headline: Pope - "I believe in God".

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Nobody seriously expected Max to keep to his word did they.

Leopard.... Spots.

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Exactly.

Well, somebody has to whip the teams into shape. :eek:

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Max Mosley in changing his mind shocker! Next week's headline: Pope - "I believe in God".

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*shakes fist* WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US BEFORE, POPE?

Bloody Mosley, how typical and predictable...

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Well, somebody has to whip the teams into shape. :eek:

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More like spank.....reminds me of a question from Rick in Casablanca

Well well, an't say that it's a huge surprise, but I'm disappointed.

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"“If people start saying ‘you have to go’, my immediate reaction is ‘I’ll have to stay’,” said Mosley. “It always has the opposite effect on me.

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He says if people ask him to go, it'll have the opposite effect. He doesn't neccessarily mean that philosophy works both ways.

Whilst I can see where you got your conclusions, I'm pretty sure if Mosley was asked question, he'd point out what I've just said.

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Well, somebody has to whip the teams into shape. :eek:

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:rotflmao: So so so funny VB....and original!

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He says if people ask him to go, it'll have the opposite effect. He doesn't neccessarily mean that philosophy works both ways.

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Clearly :p

I do not see changing minds whereas the fact he stays regardless of what people say that he has to leave or stay, as flip flopper, that's a method to show that he has good enough bargaining power, a perfect competition...

What really!! booo

Well its not like I didn't say this was gonna happen months ago........This stinks.

He is passed his sell by date.

I'm afraid Max will continue in his current role until death... something what Bernie has already promised to do.

Would anyone who lives in a democratic nation put up with Max's comments from a senior politician? I hope not.

I'll vomit.

Poll please.

Who didn't see this coming? :confused:

Is there any way, I mean ANY WAY, to get rid of this guy? Secret MI6 agents? Professional assassins? Matahari-like prostitutes... all have been tried, to no effect.

If his father had his resolve, Britain would be a Fascist country now.

It is funny looking back at the headlines this century :p :

Mosley set for 2001 retirement
Mosley heads off F1 'palace coup'
Mosley to seek another term as president
Mosley Will Stand For Re-election
Mosley to give up FIA presidency in '05
Mosley Will Not Seek Re-Election in 2005
Mosley Could Stand for Re-election
Mosley: It Would Have been Wrong to Quit
No opposition for Mosley in FIA election
Mosley plans quieter life in new term
Mosley re-elected as FIA president
Mosley not thinking of retirement yet
Mosley won't stand for another term
Mosley not ruling out staying at the FIA

As as been said elsewhere, the structure of the FIA is now such that it is nigh on impossible for anyone to stand against the incumbent. The architect of that structure is the incumbent!

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It is funny looking back at the headlines this century :p :

Mosley set for 2001 retirement
Mosley heads off F1 'palace coup'
Mosley to seek another term as president
Mosley Will Stand For Re-election
Mosley to give up FIA presidency in '05
Mosley Will Not Seek Re-Election in 2005
Mosley Could Stand for Re-election
Mosley: It Would Have been Wrong to Quit
No opposition for Mosley in FIA election
Mosley plans quieter life in new term
Mosley re-elected as FIA president
Mosley not thinking of retirement yet
Mosley won't stand for another term
Mosley not ruling out staying at the FIA

As as been said elsewhere, the structure of the FIA is now such that it is nigh on impossible for anyone to stand against the incumbent. The architect of that structure is the incumbent!

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It's difficult to see how Mosley could be deposed. Mugabee can only dream of the security the president of the FIA has.

Scenario:

The 20 largest clubs / countries representing over 95% of the worlds motoring members vote to remove Max.

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Max wins vote 193 / 20

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There is only 2 ways to remove Max from the FIA.

1. In a box
2. See 1 again

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Poll please.

Who didn't see this coming? :confused:

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Too right .

A man who has survived many "palace coups" , will win .

Nobody else , in this climate , will want the job anyway .
Until F1 becomes more relevent to our earth's future , it will bear ever more criticism for being so very extravagant , and Max , as the head of an organization built on the existence of a device at least partially responsible for the issue of climate change , will have a lot of questions to answer .
I wouldn't want the job .
Right now , I don't think anyone else will either .

Max will return un-opposed , poor sap .

Ah, what a shame, the Mclarenistas are unhappy.

Which is a nice early christmas present.

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Ah, what a shame, the Mclarenistas are unhappy.

Which is a nice early christmas present.

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It is yet again worth pointing out that not everybody unhappy about this is a 'Mclarenista', for not everybody bases their opinion on a personal bias towards or against one particular team. And you have conveniently ignored the fact that even ioan isn't exactly thrilled.

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Scenario:

The 20 largest clubs / countries representing over 95% of the worlds motoring members vote to remove Max.

Result:

Max wins vote 193 / 20

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He won unequivocally... :D


I think to replace someone will be something in right place once considered he is no longer capable of carrying the job over the shoulder, and not by means of teasing out someone's personal life...

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If his father had his resolve, Britain would be a Fascist country now.

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Means we would have had medals earlier too... ;)

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Ah, what a shame, the Mclarenistas are unhappy.

Which is a nice early christmas present.

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Mate, pull your head in.

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It's difficult to see how Mosley could be deposed. Mugabee can only dream of the security the president of the FIA has.

Scenario:

The 20 largest clubs / countries representing over 95% of the worlds motoring members vote to remove Max.

Result:

Max wins vote 193 / 20

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There is only 2 ways to remove Max from the FIA.

1. In a box
2. See 1 again

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Rightly so in my mind. I vaguely remember me and you having this argument at time, and we agreed to disagree. But just to pass my view across, why should the bigger motoring industries be able to bully smaller nations.

Fact that in all democratic countries (to my knowledge), all elections are decided by counties / wards won, and not actual people count, reinforces my belief that this method is the more democratic one available.

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Rightly so in my mind. I vaguely remember me and you having this argument at time, and we agreed to disagree. But just to pass my view across, why should the bigger motoring industries be able to bully smaller nations.

Fact that in all democratic countries ...

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To give each motoring club (country) exactly one vote, irrespective of the size of the country's motoring industry or the club's membership IS NOT DEMOCRATIC.

When Club Automobile du Burundi and the American Automobile Association each have one vote, there seriously is something wrong with the process.

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To give each motoring club (country) exactly one vote, irrespective of the size of the country's motoring industry or the club's membership IS NOT DEMOCRATIC.

When Club Automobile du Burundi and the American Automobile Association each have one vote, there seriously is something wrong with the process.

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How is having the same voting weight for every member not democratic? It would be undemocratic if some didn't have votes and others did, but the current system is surely the most democratic system there is?

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To give each motoring club (country) exactly one vote, irrespective of the size of the country's motoring industry or the club's membership IS NOT DEMOCRATIC.

When Club Automobile du Burundi and the American Automobile Association each have one vote, there seriously is something wrong with the process.

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Maybe a new topic needs to be created for this, as this is a totally different topic, and can be pretty huge if correctly discussed.

I disagree with you. By deciding on the power of votes pending number of members, you making those belonging to larger groups superior to those of smaller groups.

Say for example we adopted your policy to the UK election process. London has a population of 15million people (metropolitan area). Wales has a population of 3 million.

Yet Wales covers nearly 12 times the area of London. Bearing this in mind, if we adopted a policy of number of votes, rather than wards, it would create a huge amount of segregation, where London would totally suck up resources, and only work in the interest of itself, leaving the rest of UK to be starved of cash. Its simply not democratic.

And exactly the same principles apply within the FIA membership. If America had 500 times the voting power of a tiny member, the tiny member being a member would be totally pointless, as it wouldn't have any say in anything......and thats not democratic.

Those 20 largest clubs have a zillion members that had no idea they either belonged to the FIA or were being represented by them in the vote .

That's no democracy .
Now , if the club had sent me a form so I could vote , like all those zillion others , we might have a shot at a democratic vote .

But , alas , the coup failed .

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It is yet again worth pointing out that not everybody unhappy about this is a 'Mclarenista', for not everybody bases their opinion on a personal bias towards or against one particular team. And you have conveniently ignored the fact that even ioan isn't exactly thrilled.

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Isn't it also worth pointing out that those who are anti-Mosley haven't come up with the name of a candidate who could do a better job?

Seems everybody is happy to criticise the incumbent without having the slightest clue as to how anybody could do the job as effectively but with a different approach.

Those who think that a less aggresive style of management approach towards F1 owners would get the results they crave, that somehow happiness and unanimity would suddenly burst forward, that the F1 bosses wouldn't run amok with the sport, are quite frankly inhabitants of cloud cuckoo land.

Anybody who thinks that Ron Dennis should be given the keys to the palace is evidently seriously disturbed.

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Isn't it also worth pointing out that those who are anti-Mosley haven't come up with the name of a candidate who could do a better job?

Seems everybody is happy to criticise the incumbent without having the slightest clue as to how anybody could do the job as effectively but with a different approach.

Those who think that a less aggresive style of management approach towards F1 owners would get the results they crave, that somehow happiness and unanimity would suddenly burst forward, that the F1 bosses wouldn't run amok with the sport, are quite frankly inhabitants of cloud cuckoo land.

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I agree with you there, though various names have been suggested. I suspect what you mean is that no names have been put forward with which you agree, unless I have that wrong.

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I agree with you there, though various names have been suggested. I suspect what you mean is that no names have been put forward with which you agree, unless I have that wrong.

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Heck, I'd love to see Todt in charge, but I can see full well why he isn't the best man for the job given his close ties to a certain beloved Scuderia.

And that's my point....there is nobody who carries the political clout of Mosley who isn't already burdened by pre-concieved bias.

Mosley, as the man everybody loves to hate, is therefore the ideal candidate.

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Heck, I'd love to see Todt in charge, but I can see full well why he isn't the best man for the job given his close ties to a certain beloved Scuderia.

And that's my point....there is nobody who carries the political clout of Mosley who isn't already burdened by pre-concieved bias.

Mosley, as the man everybody loves to hate, is therefore the ideal candidate.

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Agree with the first two lines — but is it genuinely the case that there is no-one else in the world better suited to the role than Max? If so, that makes him one hell of a human being, and I don't think he's that special.

Whatever happens in the short term, though, two things are clear. Firstly, thought has to be given to the Bernie/Max successions. Secondly, being the boss of a sporting governing body is a thankless task for anyone.