FFS what the heck is this team doing?
And people say they aren't worse than before, they are in fact the worse there is.
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FFS what the heck is this team doing?
And people say they aren't worse than before, they are in fact the worse there is.
Been a Ferrari fan since the dawn of time, and i'm so pissed off at how stupid these people can be.
The traffic light thing does not work! Its screwed you over in the past, why use it again?
If hamilton gets a good result, the championship will be over.
Why sign Kimi for another year? He's turned into a midfield driver.
They need to give Brawn, Todt and Schumacher a call. NOW.
I really hope they fire Domenicalli.
No matter what people will say it's his job to get the team straightened, and he only managed the opposite.
Go away Stefano, you're not up to the job, and you are destroying everything others have built with so many dedication. :down:
Give Alonso a call please...Massa can't handle adversity, Kimi is Kimi and there can disappear for months. Fire them both. I say Kubica and Alonso.
I'm yet to see what Masa did wrong?! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daika
I don't post on here often but I need to share my heartbreak. I am getting sick of ferrari screwing everything up at the moment. Massa had that in the bag today and as the results stand Hammi would not have made the podium.
This is so hard to watch and my heart is with Massa, what else can he do?
Have you ever see him winning back positions after a set back? At least Kimi fought his way back untill that pretty wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
After the pit mess-up he wasn't driving with his head screwed on. Running wide and spinning.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
It just shows how much of a team effort this sport is. A driver can do a spectacular Q lap, but if his team let him down there's not much he can do.
He went back to the Massa of 2002 after the pitstop. Several mistakes, put it in the wall at the end, did not have the pace, couldn`t overtake Fisichella for a long time. Kimi did much better after, till he put it in the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I forgive both drivers, they were both screwed by unfair rules today.
Massa can only race when he has a trouble free afternoon. Something goes wrong and he end up last. This inability to cope with adversity is just wrong.
Well, it seems that whenever there is a little suprise in the race, the Ferrari team come completely unglued, if there wasn't that first safety car I think Ferrari was destined for a 1-2... I think they are just not prepared for anything out of the ordinary. I hope there is no doubt now whether Kimi should be helping Massa now, seeing he is 27 points behind Lewis with only 30 points to gain.
I just wish Ferrari would take that "pit light system" one step further and add/hang a 19 widescreen lcd screen and camera on it so the driver can see whats happening behind it or at least a mirror, then I think the systems would be good...
Also in Massa's defence for not gaining anything after his his pit stop fiasco, his engine was probably none to happy about sitting so long at the end of pit lane, and also kudo's for him to have the for-thought to stop at pit lane instead of dragging the hose onto the track.
And before anyone questions why Massa got a drive through this time when his previous infraction only earned them a fine, I'm thinking that because this was appeared more dangerous, and it occured at the first pits as opposed to the last, that it was a worse situation this time around. though I would like to see Ferrari nailed with another fine on top of the drive through penalty, maybe 2x or 10x what the last fine was...
hadn't thought of it like that, but you're probably raising something that should be investigated.
ferrari does have form.
is this a systemic problem relating to their digital release system?
if it is, perhaps it should be banned for contributing to repeated near-misses in the pitlane.
if not, then something else is wrong with their release process.
the traffic light system to me is a serious injury waiting to happen, either with mechanics being run over or as we saw today being dragged down by the fuel hose.
Further, there were mechanics in the next pit stall who were/could have been hit by the flailing hose. Or worse, there could have been a fire.
One positive thing is that Ferrari was penalised for an unsafe pit release, its a shame this wasn't applied in Valencia but that's worthy of is own thread.
notice who was in the paddock for Ferrari, as he was the last two races...
Jean Todt.
Personally, if this team slips lower than second in the constructor's, I expect him to return to his former job and do a thurough house cleaning.
What unfair rules screwed the Ferrari drivers that didn't affect everyone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Well terrible mistake by the pit crew, but then Massa didn;t do much after that.
Funny how this time around it was a 10 second stop and go. and in Valencia it was just a fine. If it were a stop and go as it should have been, then probably Hamilton would have won the race.
Anyway, Ferrari need to get things sorted out real quick. They simply gifted LH points today, by failing to correct a problem they knew existed already. As soon as the SC came out, they lost their calm and in their nervousness,they botched the pit stop.
Now Kimi was pushing,but he did loose it and cost the team valuable WDC points. It was a pure racing accidnet and I really don't blame him too much for it.
Maybe this is one of the "unfair rules" that Garry is referring to. Though the drive-thru didn't screw Massa as much as the pitstop screwup by the team, I can agree that it's not fair to have different punishments for the same offense by the same team and driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by 71minus2
Other than this one, I still want to hear about the other "unfair rules" that screwed the Ferrari drivers today though.
And yet he is still in P2 in the general standing and has 20 more points than the current champion which incidentally is his teammate and has the same car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daika
I used to think Massa didn´t deserve to be an F1 driver, but this year he is doing a great job for Ferrari and if not for an error not of his making, chances are he would have been the current leader.
Does he struggle when things go wrong? yes, does he seems to get the best out of a great car?, yes, which is what you need if you plan to fight for the championship.
Screw Ferrari? Don't bother, I doubt they'd get that right either......
Ioan - do you think these things are happening because the new management team is trying to prove that they are better than the old management team? That they too can bring success to the Scuderia? (that's what it looks like to me)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Ever since Jean Todd and Ross Brawn left ferrari they have been having alot more trouble. In my opinion all the skrews have been loosened on the team and now the trouble have started creaping in. There have been numorous occasions when ferrari's cars have failed on the track or in the pitts. i dont believe it is the driveres faults but the management of the whole team.
I think it was expected already years ago that after the departure of Team Schumacher Ferrari would start struggling more or less. But despite problems I think the design department is still doing a bloody good job and for 2008 Ferrari has designed a car, which generally has been fastest of all. This is their main strength, which has overcome weaknesses and managed to keep them in title contention. 2009 will be a real test for Ferrari, also for the design department, to prove themselves at the highest level.
the pit release things needs to go, its clearly not safe. i'm not sure that Ferrari did much else wrong, but when you F**k up that bad what else do you need to do!
as for the drivers, i think they are performing admirably considering they are not being backed up by the team. in the MS days you could rely on every pitstop and every decision made being the right one, now - not so sure
certainly if Hamilton wins the WDC this year it will be thanks to Ferrari...
And not thanks to Nigel Stepney :p
Both Kimi and Hamilton overtook only 1 car after the SC was in otherwise they waited for other cars to pit or serve their penalties, that's exactly what Massa did too (after he was screwed in the pits and got a penalty too!Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
So, praising Kimi and Hamy for doing nothing more than Massa seems a bit too rich to be used for denigrating him. Hypocrisy? Most likely.
And yes I saw him winning back positions after a setback!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daika
Silverstone 2007 - last (through no fault of his) too 5th!
Sepang 2006 - last to 5th!
Canada 2008 - 14th to 5th!
There might be some more, but these are just the last ones!
And this only shows how you watch F1 just for the sake of slagging drivers using damn lies. :mad:
They should have done it already after the first few races of the season, when it was already clear that Domenicalli was not up to the task.Quote:
Originally Posted by veeten
It was a drive through not a stop and go! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Yeah, it looks to me that the management is trying to hard to prove their worth while showing that they aren't up to it, instead of working their way slowly through the real problems they've got.Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
They can design good cars because they have a good designer in charge, still they won't be able to win until their races are managed so badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
They were the best team in the pits for a decade, now they are the laughing stock of F1, in only one season. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
U mean that they won't be able to win until their races are NOT managed so badly. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Whoever wins the WDC this year it will be because they and their team did a better job than the rest over the whole season. In Singapore Ferrari screwed up, and their drivers made errors. McLaren and Hamilton simply did a better job and came away with valuable points.Quote:
Originally Posted by jso1985
Whilst the pit stop was not his fault. The fact he made no progress whatsoever after his drive through was slightly disappointing. Considering he appeared to have the best car on the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I don't really understand why the traffic light system is getting so much stick. Both errors from Massa in Valencia and Massa in Singapore. Both were caused by human errors, who is to say the lollipop man would not have made the same mistake?Quote:
Originally Posted by 71minus2
I personally don't think the traffic light system is in the wrong, simply because it hasn't been the cause of any problems so far, its just poor human judgement, the pit crew have to improve, not the traffic light system.
Massa's race can't get a direct comparison with Räikkönen's.
Firstly, unlike the Finn, he had a drive through penalty, which dropped him further backwards.
Secondly, after Kubica had passed him, Massa was very slow and dropped quickly backwards, making an unscheduled stop in the middle of the race. As it turned out, he had a puncture.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71002
No surprise FM couldn't get a proper chance to rise anywhere higher than the rear end of the field.
That won't stop the Massa bashers from talking nonsense. Never did, never will.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Sometimes people lose perspective and forget that in the Todt/schumacher age there were mistakes and problems too. Think of irvine tyre troubles in 1999, or Barrichello/schumacher pit problems at malaysia 2001. These things just happen at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Just the same as people forget that already during Schumacher/todt days there were reliability problems in 2005 and 2006.
So I would wait with the SD firing at the moment (except if the position was given to me :D )
I still don't know why there isn't a system where, when the fuel nozzle is attached to the car, the gearbox is always in neutral so that only when the nozzle is removed can first gear be selected.