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http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/445260
Now move Surfer's.
IIRC, wasn't the Surfer's Paradise race in March back when the Adelaide GP was the F1 season ender?
I find it interesting that two races in Australia let us say, 4 weeks apart and what 800 miles is a problem but here a race 4 weeks apart and 125 miles isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykiki
One must wonder.
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La Fédération Internationale de l'AutomobileQuote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
You are correct on CART racing there in the spring but can't speak to F1 as I did not follow it at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykiki
You mean the fall in Australia. Since seasons are reversed.Quote:
Originally Posted by dataman1
Basically, it is that with Cleveland & Mid-Ohio you have two races that are staged and promoted by two separate entities within the same sanctioning body, whereas the Austrailian(Albert Park) GP and Indy at Surfer's Paradise are held by two individual sanctioning bodies altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Expecting FOM to rearange their schedule to accomodate IRL's race date is a lot like a dollar holding itself up for a dime.
Not happening, in any sense of the word, Waldo.
One can't occur because of the other. Sanctions having nothing to do with it. The FIA is worried there are only so many fans and they cannot do both. Based on the story they are now not doing the Flying Circus so why not put Surfer's on the off the weekend of the U.S. Superbowl about 8 weeks away?Quote:
Originally Posted by veeten
That's right we can't have races in the middle of summer in Australia.
Not being able to schedule a race at Surfer's and Melborne has nothing to do with fan counts. The FIA's main purpose in life is to protect Forumla 1. Any other reason for the FIA doing anything is just spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Anything American is dispised by the European community and most of the people who run the F-1 have vary shades of anti-Americanism running through their personality. These are the people who are happy Scott Speed failed. These are the same people who want Sebastien Bourdias to fail because they see AOWR as vastly infeiror.
Helping move Surfer's to a time to a time that may be a better fit for the IRL is very low on things they would like to do do.
Also, don't forget that's a traditional weekend for the V-8 Supercars, and my understanding is they don't want the event to move either.
The IRL is a member of FIA as was the CCWS. Now what sanctioning body runs the Australian GP? HINT: It isn't FIA.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
So what does Australia have to do with Europe? You mean FIA or Bernie?Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
Bernie still remembers Bobby Rahal getting in his face saying "we will bury you". So it is Bernie and his supporters that hate AOWR but not the IRL because Indianapolis and the place at 16th and Georgetown is the only place in the U.S. that will be able to hold a F-1 race. So Bernie has hat in hand to the IRL. So if TG says, Surfer's in January or no go and Bernie throws a fit, then no U.S.G.P.
So TG saying more races in Feburary and March is low. Just in the last 10 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
So they only race in the Spring and not in the Summer in Australia? They are "support" if they do not "support" then save your money. You know what? Money works 99.99% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
strange... the IRL fans had been telling CCWS fans for years how CC was just the support race for V8 Supercars. But now its the IRL running there suddenly the tune is changed and they claim V8 superscars are back as the support series ;)
Strange, I never heard that? If they have a good following then they are a stronge "support" series that helps financially rather "suck" money from the event, then good. If not well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobGarage
If they don't want to come then stay home. That simple.
Yeah, but for any race outside of the US you need FIA approval. Good luck racing with out it.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
I'm sorry, I laughed for a good five minutes to that. Berine Ecclestone, head of the most powerful racing series in the world kowtows to Tony George, and absolutely needs his blessing in order to succeed. Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
So many things are wrong with this statement I just don't know where to start. First of all F-1 does not need the USGP. They don't. It's just not that important. It's not massively important to their sponsors and viewership is minimal.
What? I'm sorry, but that sentence just doesn't make any sense. "More races in Feburary and March is low?" What do you mean by this. It physically doesn't make any sense on any level. And "Just in the last 10 days." is a sentence fragment, so again, I don't know what you're saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
I'd expect more from someone who called out my spelling once.
They are a support race that is responsible for 30 to 40 percent of the total weekend draw. Its not like they're Indy Lites. You can't just dismiss it out of hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Basically, the popularity of the V8 Supercar series in Australia is similar to the popularity of NASCAR in the US. Not hard to see why some would call an IndyCar race a "support" race to the V8 Supercars.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
I see you did not answer the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
I laughed for 20 minutes that you will not being a U.S. G.P. unless he does. Me, I frankly don't care either way and if Surfer's goes because of it so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
Oh I see, the F-1 sponsors are all hoping for the one TV in Chad to be watching the race. I think Fox ans Speed should drop their coverage of F-1 due to no interest. 4,000,000 are watching in GB and twice that are watching "Are you smarter than a fifth grader" on the same network here.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
The largest FREE MARKET in the world is "just not that important". Now that is funny.
Oh yes you do because those are your words. Not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
Yes but I wasn't sweeping a pit box at age 13 at IMS either. Again your words.
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Originally Posted by MDS
They don't want to race for money then they can be dismissed easily.
Sorry Waldo, but that statement shows how little you know about the popularity and power that the v8s hold in Australia and how little you know about the situation with the Surfers event.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Without the V8's surfers would not happen. It has for a few years now, pulled a lot more to the event that CC. There are now a lot of people that go just for the event... to get drunk for the weekend and just don't care about the racing. Without the v8 supercars this event would not happen. That was not the case in the begining of surfers but it is now.
The v8's don't want to change surfers in their schedule and without their blessing TG isn't going to be able to do anything about it. If he wants to race at Surfers he will do so in October.
Does it matter? The race is sanctioned by the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport, which is a member organization of La Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Seriously, if you want to hold any kind of conversation at some point you need to start making sense. No idea what that sentence means.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
I don't understand how viewership in England relates to the United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Most F-1 races air live at 8 a.m. in American and are all under 1.0 The audience that supports F-1 in America is less tiny compared to the world wide population.
Speed and Fox aren't paying a lot of for the broadcast rights, and mostly use someone elses feed, so its a pretty cheap setup.
Most of those companies that dump money into F-1 are European based. Renault backs two teams and I don't believe they have any North American operations. Like Renault, a number of the sponsors don't have any American branding or affilation. Petronas, Vodafone, Kingfisher, none of them have any US businessm, for them North American races are just a loss leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
If it's that important to you I can dig the picture out of my parent's attic and scan it for you when I go home for Thanksgiving.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Got an idea then, let them run and the Indy Cars can race somewhere else. Clears up scheduling problems and then the IRL can go to Brazil.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobGarage
I was just saying, if they do not want to run for money then so be it. Look I have used popular forms of support at tracks I promoted at. Without them I would have had half the crowd. They must understand though they are support and not the primary focus. There is always a rub. Ever run across that problem in shows you did? How did you handle it? I had to explain the facts of life of that day to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobGarage
Then I think the race will never be more than an exhibition. Never any points. Thus as important as a boil on the rear of the sport. Again those facts of life need to be explained.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobGarage
OMG you stated an opinion as your own opinion and not as a fact. Good for you. Just do it every other time you post now and people will think higher of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
So the IRL is a member organization of ACCUS with is the United States member of the FIA and the Indianapolis 500 is one of the few U.S. races that is a full FIA race.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
Again your words not mine. Read your words thus it make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
The whole world is watching but most the world is in survival mode so 4,000,000 in England may represent a 1/3 of what is watching.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
So how many are watching in China since they have a 7 day work week and the race is on Monday?Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
Bernie runs the deal and gets good money. What I think is interesting is the German Company that had the World rights, went broke because of this deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
And 40 teams in Cup are getting more money and exposure for their sponsors than 22 cars in F-1. Those 40 are getting close to $700,000,000Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
Don't bother, I found your own words. Enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
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Originally Posted by MDS
Is it or is it not and exhibition race this year? Does the ABC deal run through 2009? If so then either it is moved to early in the year or it is a exhibition.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
No opinion, just the facts. Contracts are strong.
So that relates to Surfer's how? Seriously, why ask who sanctions Surfer's if you're just going to bring it back to this. The two things are in no way related.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
How does what I wrote make your horrible grammar make sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Again, fail to see what this has to do with Surfer'sQuote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Nope, nothing to do with moving Surfer's hereQuote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Again, nothing related to the topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Nothing on topic here.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
What you do is you take a subject so far afield to someplace you ether know well or can make up figures to avoid talking about initial thread. Its called hijacking and trolling.
It just rubs you raw that I was actually there and did it. You admit to getting tossed of the garage when you were a kid, but the idea that a crewmember might actually sneak his relatives for an experience is completey unthinkable.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Sorry, I was there. I know what I did. Don't know why that chaps your rear so much. And why you have to bring it up. I'm not going to take crap from guy who allegedly was a "Big time promoter" yet writes like a six year old text messaging and refuses to provide any specifics about their promoting background.
The point of the thread was a link to an article that the F-1 race is going away. This frees up Surfer's.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
Your words, not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
It has to do with F-1 and stuff you said. This thread is about a date going off the schedule after 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
It has to do with F-1 and stuff you said. This thread is about a date going off the schedule after 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
It has to do with F-1 and stuff you said. This thread is about a date going off the schedule after 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
It has to do with F-1 and stuff you said. This thread is about a date going off the schedule after 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
Yes but your words tell me a lot. AGE 21. "Hey kid are you 19?" Yup! "Get out you have to be 21". That is what happen, I never made it in. 1970.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
Oh yes, but I can spell Phoenix. You in a post asked about your own creditablity because I am ignoring you. I showed you three posts of yours that the story changed each time. Find three of my posts where I changed the story three times to cover myself. I am going back to ignoring you as I have in other places.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
Back on Topic: It is too bad that F-1 is leaving Australia but with the amount of money paid out annually to Bernie it is going to fall to the oil rich countries. This is a lesson about making things to expensive without a way to getting the numbers back to something reasonable.
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Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Oh, you're unhappy that you got caught and I didn't. I gotcha.
http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/445260
Since this the topic.......
Perhaps you're an expert in American Racing History, but you don't seem to know to much about forumula 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Okay, 4 million viewers in England, we also 6 to 7 million viewers every race in germany. Then italy might have same ratings as england because of Ferrari,
Spain because of Alonso, Finnland with Raikkönen and you can expect also a lot of polish people because of Kubica.
So there is france with Renault. F1 is also very popular in South America, expecially in brazil.
And in Japan there are also a lot of f1 fans.
So I thin that would make a lot more than 12,000,000 watching formula one races...
In fact after soccer world cup and olympic games, f1 is the most popular sport in the world and its sucess doesn't depend on a United States Grand Prix!
It's well known that some US-americans think, everything in the wolrd is about the United States, but that's not the case...
Well then Bernie wanted it and according to rumors put out by Varsha and Hobbs the U.S.G.P. will be on the schedule for 2009 and at Indianapolis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Again if your numbers are true then why did the company that owned the rights to F-1 go broke? A German company at that.
TV ratings at best are a guess. If you watch a race and you are not tied in then you do not count.
In the U.S. the average home as over three TVs so this is the market that needs to be reached not Chad. See places like Chad are part of the worldwide audience.
There are more places and people struggling to survive than watch F-1.
It is Bernie's little "song and dance" because it is now his TV and nobody else will take it.
I would not be surprised if there was 12-14 mill viewers worldwide for every F1 race. There's no regulation of the ratings outside of Nielsen markets so I would not put any confidence in "official" numbers. That said, its still a few million more than NASCAR and a heck of a lot more than IndyCar, so as a series F1 is doing fine as far as viewership. Don't forget that many of these markets have no choice but to watch F1 or soccer, unlike more industrialized countries where you have anywhere from 100-500 channels to choose from. That's why you'll find the US has a much wider variety of sports fanbases and (potentially) discriminating taste. If all you've got on the tube growing up is soccer and european road-racing, then that's probably all you'll be a fan of.
If you really want to compare europe with the chad, that tells a lot about you...Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Here in Germany we have 5 to 6 million watchers in a a normal f1 race. And when they race in brazil or canada and the races are shown in rpime time, there usually are 10 million viewers. And that's Germany alone. And we don't even have a race winner in the formula one grid of 2008.
How much audiance do you think, f1 can gt in the US if you're optimistic? 1 Million, 2 Millions? And now compare it with the European Union. There alone we have more than halb a billion inhabitants. And f1 here is by far the most watched form of racing, and as a single discipline number two behind soccer!
So you know how important is North America compared to Europe. Formula ne will never be succuseful in the US with one or two races in North America, mostly road races and a lot of european and south american drivers. So if you add verything together, it's nice to have a us race, but if not, it isn't that big problem, beause nobody in the US will watch it. The only advantage ist, we can watch it here in europe in prime time...
Every European country has its method measuring tv ratings, here in germany it's the "GfK". And we have a lot opportuneties of watching sports and motorsports. if you take motorsports there are the motorcycling world championship and the WTCC, both you can watch europe wide at "eurosport" (a pan-euopean-sports-channel) for free. They also show the rallye-world-championship and the LeMans Series.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickfalzone
Here in Germany we also have a very successful national toringcar championship named DTM with 1 or maximum 2 million viewers per race in a country with 80 Million inhabitants.
And about soccer. There is so much to watch. If you like that, you can watch it nearly seven days a week. There are also a couple of very popular tennis tournaments, cycling (very popular in western and southern europe) and so on... And nothing but all formula one is very successful here...
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Originally Posted by Spiderman
The interest is World wide, not Europe or a couple of countries in South America. We have over 300,000,000 TV's in the country with that many people. Now do you not think they want to reach some of those?
Now only 6,000,000 are true hardcore race fans and this past weekend through out the large events, and 700 local tracks under 400,000 were out there watching racing in some form with a ticket. TV between the televised events, 7 of them (F-1 included) less than 7,000,000 will have watched. Half of those NASCAR.
So in a Country of 300,000,000 this past weekend how many people watched or went to a race, around 7,250,000. I watched 6 of those races or parts there of. So, in reality less than 7,000,000.
Also in the 17 races of F-1 you will only get a little less than 2,000,000 people to attend. In the U.S. NASCAR over 38 point races and 2 special dates will draw 4,700,000. So the numbers per event are close to the same.
On three day shows, the numbers go well past 7,000,000 and F-1 to around 3,000,000.
The point I am making is maybe you numbers are right but here on Fox, F-1 would be lucky to get 625,000 viewers out of 300,000,000 possible people.
So in Europe, Brazil and a few other places yes F-1 does well but the world does not end there.
In the U.S. it is .02 that are race fans, world wide it is .0002.
F1 has a long tradition in europe, south america, in australia and in parts of asia (Japan). I think that's very important markets for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
If the want to be successful in the United States, it isn't done with one US Grand Prix. They had to have perhaps half of their races in the US with a couple of sucessful driveras from the US. Then they maybe can compete against NASCAR. But if they would do it, they would lose in these arias, they are traditional successful. Or do you know one league in sports, that's sucessful in europe and in the US?
Perhaps most of them like other forms of racing. And whio likes f1 style raod racing un the U.S. can follow GrandAm, ALMS, a couple of IndyCar races, formula atlantic - all with american drivers. So you're draming if you state, there are possible 300.000 f1 fans.Quote:
Now only 6,000,000 are true hardcore race fans and this past weekend through out the large events, and 700 local tracks under 400,000 were out there watching racing in some form with a ticket. TV between the televised events, 7 of them (F-1 included) less than 7,000,000 will have watched. Half of those NASCAR.
So in a Country of 300,000,000 this past weekend how many people watched or went to a race, around 7,250,000. I watched 6 of those races or parts there of. So, in reality less than 7,000,000.
Also in the 17 races of F-1 you will only get a little less than 2,000,000 people to attend. In the U.S. NASCAR over 38 point races and 2 special dates will draw 4,700,000. So the numbers per event are close to the same.
On three day shows, the numbers go well past 7,000,000 and F-1 to around 3,000,000.
The point I am making is maybe you numbers are right but here on Fox, F-1 would be lucky to get 625,000 viewers out of 300,000,000 possible people.
So in Europe, Brazil and a few other places yes F-1 does well but the world does not end there.
In the U.S. it is .02 that are race fans, world wide it is .0002.
About TV ratings:
http://www.gpbrasil.com.br/siteGPe/noticia.asp?id=267
I thin, that's a lot, and a lot more than NASCAR. And if you only count, the fans at the track. How much do you pay for a NASCAR-ticket? Last time when I attendet a formula one race here in europe (a couple of years ago) i paid around 200,- Euros for three days for a seat far away from start/finish and from seeing the whole track.Quote:
By Castilho de Andrade*
Brazil was the highlight of the 2007 edition of the Formula One Global Broadcast Report, a comprehensive and thorough account published by FOM - Formula One Management - based on audience figures of the 17 races of the Formula 1 season, which were seen in nearly 200 countries. With 119 million viewers last year – 24% more than in 2006 – Brazil has surpassed China to become the country with the largest internal Formula 1 TV audience.
The 2007 Brazilian Grand Prix, on October 21st in Săo Paulo, was the international sporting event with largest audience in the world, with an average of 78 million viewers and a peak of 152 million viewers worldwide, according to international consultancy agency “Initiative Sports Future”.
In Brazil, “TV Globo” had an average audience of 26 points and peaks of 31 points during the race that decided the 2007 World Championship, where three drivers brought the title decision to the last round, in one of the most exciting clashes in the history of the category. The only sporting attraction that outperformed the Brazilian Grand Prix was the Superbowl in
the United States, an event with more than 90% of its audience within American territory and thus considered to be a national event.
In Spain, fans of Fernando Alonso gave the Brazilian Grand Prix the second highest audience of the year, with 8.4 million viewers. Its audience was just slightly below the match between Barcelona and Liverpool, in the UEFA Champions League, with 8.6 million viewers.
The introductory text to the 2007 Formula One Global Broadcast Report states, in one of its paragraphs, that "the growth of the audience was substantial in several new markets like India and Poland, as well as in already established markets such as Britain, Spain and particularly Brazil, which achieved extraordinary results."
In total, including people who watched various races, Formula 1 reached in 2007 the mark of 597 million viewers around the planet. Market analysts who had access to the Global Broadcast Report and to the data from the “Initiative Sports Future”, conclude that the Formula 1 is now the best vehicle in globalized sports media. FOM monitored a total of 11.183 hours of F-1 in TV networks that have the rights to motor sport’s main category, of which 5.169 hours were of live images.
What is this in US dollars: 300? So f1 is very exclusive, while NASCAR is more for the whole family...
You will find in the future, less Europe and more "who can afford it" countries thus world wide. So with 6 billion plus what is 15M in the equation? Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Although many could disagree but American Road Racing is nearly dead. Of the 600,000 Hard core Open Wheel fans less than 1/6 are Road racing fans. If I am not telling the truth then explain the 75 that showed up in Utah for ALMS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Been studing them for years, if they are a guess here with Neilsen then it is a bigger guess world wide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Depending on the track a Friday truck, Saturday Nationwide and Sunday Cup you will pay well past $200 and see the whole track. Difference between NASCAR and F-1 is the $200 is pure profit. Bernie is said to want $35,000,000 in 2009. $300 times 100,000 equals how much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
I know it is not important that a show makes money but NASCAR and the IRL shows make money, all 17 Flying Circus shows do not. So it really doesn't matter what you pay ticket wise it does not help the bottom line.
Bernie got his, thats all that matters.
So with a limited number of seats at a Cup race the demand is higher than the supply thus higher ticket prices. Now that is exclusive.
I can't explain your 75 ALMS-fans, because all i know about US racing is what i know about IndyCars I(follow this, since Nigel Mansell came over in 1993) i think it's hardly enough leading the pickems here...
So when US americans are not road racing fans, why should they follow formula one? And why should f1 work on the american market, when there is no chance to make it there. I believe, they tried it since f1 was invented in the 1950s, there sometimes had races in the US, but they never were successful there. And nothing but all f1 is the second most successful sport worldwide after soccer (what also means nothing in the US!)
And for f1 heading to asia, most european fans are very unlucky with it...
It died and nobody knows it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
I personally could care less about F-1 in the U.S. or the Max/Bernie wars are any of the so called talent on the series. Here in this country history is littered with series that attempted to be successful on the "road" now as dead as squid on the beach. Why, a lack of fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
What ever that means. Wait to Chavez and Nigeria want a F-1 race. They can afford it, the rest of the world cannot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Isn't Chavez a sponsor of Ernesto Viso, is he?
For me that sounds very strange, remembering the conflicts between your government and mr. Chavez. Wether Mr. Chavez would come to Indy, if Viso wins it...
Yes okay, CART is dead. I think, that's sad because I very much enjoyed it when I had the opportunety to watch it live at the track in 2001 and 2003. But 2003 wasn't the same anymore, for sure.
Hopefully IndyCarRacing no can recover and will become a little like 1993 or like when Zanardi dominated this sport.
F1 has a lot of talent. The reason is as simple as why the best american drivers are in NASCAR: The earn more many there than they could do in every other form of racing. The max/bernie wars are not the main thing in f, it's a little bit like olympics, you want (not me, i never liked Schumacher) want to see your country winning. Most fans are driver fans or team fans (Ferrari), and the "show" isn't that important. It never was in f1!
So I don't think Bernie doesn't know, Americans don't like f1. Maybe he tries it sometimes because, some manufactors want to race there, but my opinion is, if they want to sell cars in the US, they have to race NASCAR...
He has the money to do F-1 that is the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Ever hear of Formula 5000, CanAm, Trans-Am? Very successful in their day but died because of a lack of interest. Look up the history of the first CanAm Champion, Sir. John Surtees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Really is talent or equipment? I always found it to be equipment. Explain James Hunt and Jody Scheckter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
That is true.Quote:
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Built and spent a load of coin for 75 people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Chavez or Viso? In every division of racing money is important for rookie-drivers to find a seat. There is no difference between F1, NASCAR or IndyCars, but if you want a car to win, bringing money isn't enough...Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
I think, CART died because lack of Indianapolis and Indianapolis lost a lot because lack of CART...Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Equipment is important, because racing is a technical sport. It isn't the other way around in IndyCars. Why do win Penske, Ganassi and AGR every oval race? But you have to be a competetive driver to get a seat in a winning car. And even if you get one, it isn't said, you are winning races...Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
Scheckter was very good at Tyrrell and Wolf before heading to to Ferrari and Hunt was lucky, but he wasn't a bad driver at all...
Yes but in NASCAR Sprint Cup merit gets the seat at this point. The IRL existing teams is pretty much merit, the CCWS teams that swung over is both merit and cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
CART died because of their own stupidity and the 500 is still there. It lost because the times changed and the generational issues of going to the race are not as important. Numbers to be truthful have been dropping slightly every year from 1987 on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Nope but Scheckter would not have won a World Championship with Tyrrell or Wolf. Hunt was lucky but it helped he was with the team that year otherwise he would have been just another driver that drove in F-1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Winning is being in a position to win. That simple and that easy. Good teams understand that and other teams struggle to get there.