is Rick Hendrick kicking himself ???

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12th June 2008, 20:02
RaceFanStan

is Rick Hendrick kicking himself ???

Kyle Busch is currently clearly the Cup leader right now ...

In 2007 Rick Hendrick let Kyle Busch go so he could make room for Dale Jr
Of course Kyle Busch landed with Joe Gibbs Racing & is doing VERY well this year
this year Dale Jr has had some good runs & he is leading the Hendrick teams for now ...

2008 (so far)(14 races in)
Kyle Busch - 1st in points ~ 4 wins / 9 top 5s / 10 top 10s (@ JGR)
Dale Jr - 3rd in points (-145 points to 1st) ~ 0 wins / 6 top 5s / 10 top 10s (@ HMS)
(Dale Jr isn't doing bad but the fact remains that he is trailing Kyle Busch & Jeff Burton)

2007
Kyle Busch - 5th in points ~ 1 win / 11 top 5s / 20 top 10s (@ HMS)
Dale Jr - 16th in points ~ 0 wins / 7 top 5s / 12 top 10s (@ DEI)

IMO I think Rick Hendrick should have fired Casey Mears & kept Kyle Busch !!!
(currently Casey Mears is 26th in points & only has 2 top 10s)
(Casey Mears WON'T make the Chase & will be lucky if he stays top 35 in Owner's Points) :eek:
(many fans still wonder "what the heck was Rick thinking firing Busch & keeping Mears ?")

nascar.com seems to think it is win-win but I don't see it that way
read for yourself
http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/opin...ush/index.html
12th June 2008, 20:04
Lee Roy

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Originally Posted by RaceFanStan

IMO I think Rick Hendrick should have fired Casey Mears & kept Kyle Busch !!!

I agree.
12th June 2008, 21:43
MD24

Is Rick Hendrick kicking himself

I doubt it, Kyle is very talented but not worth the trouble.

He was one of my favorite driver when he started with HMS.
But he has become a very arrogant young man just like Kurt was a few years ago.
12th June 2008, 21:51
BenRoethig

The situation has a lot to do with it. It fits in a better when it comes to both temperament and driving style with Tony and Hamlin than he does with Gordon and Johnson.
12th June 2008, 21:54
MD24

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Originally Posted by BenRoethig

The situation has a lot to do with it. It fits in a better when it comes to both temperament and driving style with Tony and Hamlin than he does with Gordon and Johnson.

Agree
12th June 2008, 22:02
Galveston dunes

temperment-tempertatrum

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Originally Posted by BenRoethig

The situation has a lot to do with it. It fits in a better when it comes to both temperament and driving style with Tony and Hamlin than he does with Gordon and Johnson.

I really thought Kyle was calmer this year than last year. I'm not a Kyle fan however I've seen some of his tantrums last year and thier nothing compared to his arrogance this year. Either way one could not say hes ignorant on driving, a little careless at times but not ignorant.IMO
13th June 2008, 00:04
Alexamateo

I doubt Rick Hendrick is kicking himself. If you look at Nascar.com's driver rating (rates finishes, avg running position, avg speed, fastest laps, laps led, etc.) The #1 and #2 drivers are Kyle Busch and Dale Jr. True, Jr. hasn't won, but the Hendrick cars have just been a tick off this year. (2007 Hendrick cars won 10 of the first 14, this year only JJ's fuel mileage win @ Phoenix)

If you look at it like F1 does, and compare teammates, it is win-win.
(And looking at it that way, I'd be worried if I was Casey Mears)

No, I don't think Rick Hendrick is kicking himself, but I do think Kyle Busch probably can't believe his luck to change to Gibbs just as they enter their dominant phase. Now, they're not as dominant as Hendrick was last year at this time, because Roush is also on an upswing, but life's pretty good for Kyle Busch right now.
13th June 2008, 00:15
Alexamateo

To further add to my comments, if Kyle Busch was still at Hendrick, I don't think he would have 4 wins, He'd probably have a win, but really, he'd be the fourth man in the pecking order at HMS. The Joe Gibbs Toyotas have really come on strong, and they've really matched up to Kyle's style. I think it's a perfect match for him.
13th June 2008, 06:21
harvick#1

of course Rick is kicking himself, right when he made the decision to dump Kyle for Jooyner, I had a feeling Kyle was going to go out of his way to show up HMS.

I like Kyle, but he is way more arrogent this year than last, I think he got excellent lessons from Denny and Tony on how to put a driver or teammate down a notch (jason Leffler at Dover, etc...)

I still like how JB still gets hardly any credit, only driver in the top 15 that gets any exposure yet hes a stones throw from taking back the point lead
13th June 2008, 07:38
call_me_andrew

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Originally Posted by MD24

I doubt it, Kyle is very talented but not worth the trouble.

Just like Barry Bonds.
15th June 2008, 03:36
e2mtt

Not kicking himself. Dale Jr. is a fantastic hire, both in publicity and performance. Furthermore, Hendricks has been off a touch this year. Jeff & Jimmie have had more then their share of bad luck, and Dale has fallen off at the end of the race more times then not. In these same situations I imagine Kyle would be complaining and being difficult. (I think Casey is a problem, and is probably going to have to go if he can't get it together.)

Kyle just had great fortune to be with Gibbs right now. They are getting everything right, and the team they have put together for Kyle is working great.
17th June 2008, 12:33
Rapier Racer

Oh now look here, the 5 has slipped off the map this season, I'm sure someone on these boards said this would happen before the season started...
5th July 2008, 03:20
DezinerPaul

Let me see, Kyle Bush/Dale Jr who is worth more $? ...............No contest!
On his best day, Kyle will NEVER draw sponsors the way Jr does.
5th July 2008, 16:23
oldhippie

i think kyle busch has a racing style closer to dale sr than dale jr does
dale jr inhereited the dale sr fans but he may not keep them all
6th July 2008, 06:08
DezinerPaul

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Originally Posted by oldhippie

i think kyle busch has a racing style closer to dale sr than dale jr does
dale jr inhereited the dale sr fans but he may not keep them all

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Not so, Sr would have never pulled a cheap shot, like Brat Bush pulled today on the restart. If were Gordon, I would poke him in the nose and send him on a wild ride the next time we met. Total bush league stuff (pardon the pun)!
6th July 2008, 13:48
Lee Roy

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Originally Posted by DezinerPaul

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Not so, Sr would have never pulled a cheap shot, like Brat Bush pulled today on the restart. If were Gordon, I would poke him in the nose and send him on a wild ride the next time we met. Total bush league stuff (pardon the pun)!

And what did Bush do to Jeff Gordon? I thought it was Carl Edwards and Gordon that got together on the last restart.
6th July 2008, 14:00
harvick#1

Gordon said it best, he was laying back with everyone else, so Kyle slowed the restart, smart move by Mr. Busch
6th July 2008, 16:38
DezinerPaul

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Originally Posted by Lee Roy

And what did Bush do to Jeff Gordon? I thought it was Carl Edwards and Gordon that got together on the last restart.

The restart was way to slow, he backed up the field. Gordon saidhe was holding back, wait till he watches the video, they were all over Bushes rear end
6th July 2008, 18:11
BobbyC

The other issue too is Toyota and how few expected Toyota snatching one team meant so much to their dominance.
6th July 2008, 19:44
harvick#1

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Originally Posted by DezinerPaul

The restart was way to slow, he backed up the field. Gordon saidhe was holding back, wait till he watches the video, they were all over Bushes rear end

because everyone was laying back, Busch wanted to keep the field bunched
7th July 2008, 01:03
Racebob

Kyle did nothing wrong. It is as if Jeff Gordon never, ever brought the field down to a restart too slow ? What exactly is the speed supposed to be ? Kyle is doing a marvelous job out there. He is driving smart and maturing rapidly. This kid is going to be a force to be reckoned with for quite some time. And yes, Rick Hendrick should be kicking himself. Joe Gibbs has a winner here.
7th July 2008, 03:17
DezinerPaul

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Originally Posted by Racebob

Kyle did nothing wrong. It is as if Jeff Gordon never, ever brought the field down to a restart too slow ? What exactly is the speed supposed to be ? Kyle is doing a marvelous job out there. He is driving smart and maturing rapidly. This kid is going to be a force to be reckoned with for quite some time. And yes, Rick Hendrick should be kicking himself. Joe Gibbs has a winner here.

The guy has an ego that will cause him to self destruct. He is the least likeable driver , when things go wrong (and they will) he will cry and whine like a baby!
7th July 2008, 03:45
harvick#1

I think you need to take this less serious, your blodd pressure is gonna skyrocket if you worry about something that doesn't even effect your life
7th July 2008, 22:56
Racebob

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Originally Posted by DezinerPaul

The guy has an ego that will cause him to self destruct. He is the least likeable driver , when things go wrong (and they will) he will cry and whine like a baby!

Well I think that if you start paying real close attention that you will see a new Kyle emerging. One that is a bit less cocky. You think that DW or Dale Earnhardt Sr. were well liked when they broke into the sport ? Egos ? Yep. Did they get booed ? Yep. Kyle is doing just fine at Gibbs. I think that the real difference is not just Toyota's $$$, but the fact that Kyle and his crew chief communicate very well and the team gives him what he needs out there on the track. He has single handedly reignited my enthusiasm for the sport and I have been watching this stuff for a very long time.