World Idiots

Ha china and their new satellite missile. Who gives a ****. So you think we are dumb enough to put up all of our satellites without any means do defend our position. i know many of you anti american fools are rooting for anyone to take us on but you are just kidding yourselves. we can destroy the world without ever leaving home. you guys need to get a clue because you know we never will unless it is over. The fools you need to worry about are countries like Iran and the likes. Why do you think the Russians threw in the towel - simple because they finally figured out there was no way to win. china will figure out the same. This whole thing is a joke. We are just trying to keep the rouge nations from doing damage in the free world. you guys seem to sit there and think there is some magical nation that is going to appear and militarily defeat us. What are you smoking. you need to be concerned about you future and not who might be able to screw us because if we go down you are coming right along with us.

Blimey! The prospects are are bit gloomy when you put it like that mate.
I was gonna start watching a 12 part serial about a transsexual window cleaner from Bolton tonight as well :(

(dons hat and coat and rushes down to newsagent to cancel subscription to "Weather-beaten Babes")

Fousto...chill dude. The people who use facts,logic and history know that while the US has their moments where they have screwed the pooch, in the end, we know you guys are not going to nuke us. Just chill....cause your words likely are gasoline to guys like Eki, who only come to this forum to bash the US. He doens't get away with it un tested, but hey, why make his job easy? He thinks America are a bunch of war mongers....of course he ignores all the other nasty stuff unless confronted by it, but hey, you cant win em all.

Just know a few people who don't say much but have a brain appreciate on occasion the USA gets it VERY right.....

Lay off the magic mushrooms fousto. :p :

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Originally Posted by janneppi

Lay off the magic mushrooms fousto. :p :

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So, why do you think fousto plays golf?

http://www.uoguelph.ca/~thsiang/turf...m/mushroom.htm

"Periodic abundance of mushrooms on golf course might attract the eye, but don't go running willy nilly around the golf course harvesting mushrooms. While golf courses are often a good place to spot mushrooms, they are, nevertheless, a dangerous place to collect them for eating, and this practice is not recommended. "

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Originally Posted by fousto

We are just trying to keep the rouge nations from doing damage in the free world.

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Nothing personal, we just don't trust the US. Just like you don't trust Iran or China.

oi, speaking from a Australian 20-21 yr old view... im not against america, americans or american beliefs. If it wasnt for america, half my diet would be non existant (subway n coke). Although a lot of australian think negative thoughts of your President, doesnt mean we want to fight you...

Go have a watery tasting beer and relax

So, It's ok for the US to do things like this without wimper to rest of the world. But as soon as some one else does this, the US complains if the y own it up their.
What is the US scared of loosing a few spy sats, and space domination, guess what, no body owns it up their, and they did this in their own Air space. So US and any one else. pull your heads in, Juts t because you did it doesn't no no one else can.

I don't trust China, North-Korea or any country where they sell awfully lot of kebab, I guess it's fair to say I don't care for middle eastern countries either. World peace would be much closer if they made a parking lot of the whole middle east area. :up:

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

World peace would be much closer if they made a parking lot of the whole middle east area. :up:

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Wouldn't it be a helluva long walk to/from your car?

I'd also like to add that all people of Turku are dumb and what I heard, all Swedish are homesexuals. I dunno if it's true but that's what I heard.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Wouldn't it be a helluva long walk to/from your car?

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Yes it would. I'm an idiot.

But are you a world idiot ? :p :

You know, some people say Americans are gung ho idiots.

Just think how many Formula 1 tracks you can build on that gigantic parking space. :s hock:

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Originally Posted by millencolin

Although a lot of australian think negative thoughts of your President, doesnt mean we want to fight you...

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most Americans have negative thoughts about our president :p : thats nothing new

The real world idiots are the guys who think they're "cooler" because they hate the US, I'm not saying everyone should love without restrictions teh USA, but idiots who have no clue really why they hate the USA and just do it to look "cool" are the real world idiots
and their commander is Hugo Chavez

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Originally Posted by jso1985

Hugo Chavez

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There's a world idiot for you.

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Originally Posted by fousto

we can destroy the world without ever leaving home.

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Sad but true and there in lies the problem. I don't know who said this "God may have created earth in 7 days but i can destroy earth in tenfold, that makes me more powerfull than God " (don't know the excate quote) probably a former US-president.

Rather have the US on my side but mind you US lost the war in Vietnam not because lack of firepower. I feel the same is happening in Iraq.

At least Chavez is a man who's not afraid to speak his mind and give tit for tat.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Nothing personal, we just don't trust the US. Just like you don't trust Iran or China.

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And who exactly is 'we' ?

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Originally Posted by fousto

Ha china and their new satellite missile. Who gives a ****. So you think we are dumb enough to put up all of our satellites without any means do defend our position. i know many of you anti american fools are rooting for anyone to take us on but you are just kidding yourselves. we can destroy the world without ever leaving home. you guys need to get a clue because you know we never will unless it is over. The fools you need to worry about are countries like Iran and the likes. Why do you think the Russians threw in the towel - simple because they finally figured out there was no way to win. china will figure out the same. This whole thing is a joke. We are just trying to keep the rouge nations from doing damage in the free world. you guys seem to sit there and think there is some magical nation that is going to appear and militarily defeat us. What are you smoking. you need to be concerned about you future and not who might be able to screw us because if we go down you are coming right along with us.

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I take it this is a extract from George W Bush's address to the nation?

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Originally Posted by Ian McC

I take it this is a extract from George W Bush's address to the nation?

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Could be Jack Bauer

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Originally Posted by Ian McC

And who exactly is 'we' ?

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According to fousto, "World Idiots".

I'm pretty happy that the US "won" the Cold War. I hate to think what the world would be like if the communist Soviet Union had won.

I find US foreign policy to be a little hypocritical at times, especially where the Middle East is concerned, but on the whole I have no problem with America.

The US has a big stick that keeps a lot of the more rabid, looney nations in check, but they use that stick with considerable restraint more often than not. I would go so far as to say that if they got the stick out a bit more frequently we might be living in a much calmer world.

Hawkmoon, you wont be getting any Christmas cards from Eki now....join the club. He doesn't want to hear anything about an American doing anything right...OF course, what he fails to realize that the world isn't about absolutes, and while the Yanks get it wrong every now and then, they get it right a lot more often, and I have more faith in their ability to make up for mistakes than to trust the Chinese, Russians and about 10 other nations that claim to take the high road to speak for my interests.

Eki thinks everyone should be like Finland, what he fails to realize, the rest of the world is not Finland...

Eki, Chavez is a big bag of wind, but of course, that would be attractive to you? I thought you were smarter than that. Before the next 20 years is out, You will see what a mess Chavez is going to make in Venezuela. He is using economic models that make Cuba work so well.....

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

I'm pretty happy that the US "won" the Cold War. I hate to think what the world would be like if the communist Soviet Union had won.

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It would have been an awful place. Bulgaria was a communist country, close to the nion in the past. The Sovieth communism was a tyranny, created by bloodshed and treachery. Sometimes I might be irritated by the USA, but I'm so happy that they won the Cold War, because of this, I can be here chating with you, because of theis, I can by Coke or pizza or burger whenever I like, becuase of this I can watch a new Star Wars movie when it comes out (and I can watch it uncut) and I can buy a new Harry Potter book immediately after its release.
The USA won the Cold War for themselves, but their victory was victory for the world. Some people complain abut USA being bad. They might be, but the others are much, much worse. China? If everything is all right there, how happens that so many Chinese want to leave it? Russia? Great country, great history, but the USSR was the most terrible thing ever to exist IMO.
About USA haters - who are they - Kadaffi, Chaves, Castro? At least two of them have their hands coevered with blood.
I support USA.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Eki thinks everyone should be like Finland, what he fails to realize, the rest of the world is not Finland...

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As much as I like Eki and respect his coherant policy of sticking his opinions I once more have to say he represent his very own view, not the whole Finland. Or world idiots.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

OF course, what he fails to realize that the world isn't about absolutes,

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On the contrary. I've been saying for years here that the world isn't black and white like Bush seems to think. There is no "good" and "evil" (it's in the eye of the beholder like beauty), not everyone wants to be like Americans, and "with us or against us" doesn't work in real world. And I've also been saying that if you try to fix something without knowing what you're doing, you might end up doing even more damage.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Eki thinks everyone should be like Finland, what he fails to realize, the rest of the world is not Finland...

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On the contrary again. I think everyone should be let to be the way they want to be without anyone trying to force them into a different mold, especially using violence. Even Iran, North Korea and Cuba. Possible change should start from the people of those countries, not from the president of the US.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

He is using economic models that make Cuba work so well.....

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And the sanctions the US has had on them since the 1950s don't have anything to do with them being as poor as they are now? And Cuba was a paradise on earth for everyone before the revolution?

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

we know you guys are not going to nuke us.

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The Japanese probably thought the same thing, and then, BOOM X 2 :(

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

As much as I like Eki and respect his coherant policy of sticking his opinions I once more have to say he represent his very own view, not the whole Finland. Or world idiots.

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Traitor. From now on, I will call you a Bush appeaser or a Bush!te. Or maybe Another Bush Buff aka ABB.

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Originally Posted by Dazz9908

So, It's ok for the US to do things like this without wimper to rest of the world. But as soon as some one else does this, the US complains if the y own it up their.
What is the US scared of loosing a few spy sats, and space domination, guess what, no body owns it up their, and they did this in their own Air space. So US and any one else. pull your heads in, Juts t because you did it doesn't no no one else can.

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That pretty much sums up my opinion.... Well, at least I think so (sorry but there are quite a few typos there and I might be misinterpreting you're opinion).

Personally, I don't think anyone (including the Americans) should have such weaponry. However, since they do, it's a double standard to say that "it's okay for us to have whatever the hell we like, but you're not allowed to because we don't want you to." As for using the "national security" argument to justify in doing so, that really goes both ways so it's technically not a valid reason.

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Originally Posted by Bebee

That pretty much sums up my opinion.... Well, at least I think so (sorry but there are quite a few typos there and I might be misinterpreting you're opinion).

Personally, I don't think anyone (including the Americans) should have such weaponry. However, since they do, it's a double standard to say that "it's okay for us to have whatever the hell we like, but you're not allowed to because we don't want you to." As for using the "national security" argument to justify in doing so, that really goes both ways so it's technically not a valid reason.

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I would rather the US have nuclear weapons than Iran or North Korea. The US isn't going to send one my way for the greater glory of god or to prove that the "Peoples" Republic of North Korea is the best place on earth. That's exactly what those two countries could do.

The US will only launch a nuclear attack with a very good reason, such as ending the war in the Pacific in WWII.

So yes, I think it's OK for the US, Britain, France etc. to have nuclear weapons and try to prevent others from having them. The Western nations are all stable democracies. The likes of Iran and North Korea are not and that makes a very big difference.

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

I would rather the US have nuclear weapons than Iran or North Korea.

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I'd rather none of them have nuclear weapons.

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

The US isn't going to send one my way for the greater glory of god or to prove that the "Peoples" Republic of North Korea is the best place on earth. That's exactly what those two countries could do.

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How do you know that? Have they said they intend to do so? Or is it more like American politicians have claimed they could do so?

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Originally Posted by F1boat

It would have been an awful place. Bulgaria was a communist country, close to the nion in the past. The Sovieth communism was a tyranny, created by bloodshed and treachery. Sometimes I might be irritated by the USA, but I'm so happy that they won the Cold War, because of this, I can be here chating with you, because of theis, I can by Coke or pizza or burger whenever I like, becuase of this I can watch a new Star Wars movie when it comes out (and I can watch it uncut) and I can buy a new Harry Potter book immediately after its release.
The USA won the Cold War for themselves, but their victory was victory for the world. Some people complain abut USA being bad. They might be, but the others are much, much worse. China? If everything is all right there, how happens that so many Chinese want to leave it? Russia? Great country, great history, but the USSR was the most terrible thing ever to exist IMO.
About USA haters - who are they - Kadaffi, Chaves, Castro? At least two of them have their hands coevered with blood.
I support USA.

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Congratulations for being part of the free world. Some would have left you to your fate, and a few posters on here despite all their bleating would have you live in tyranny forever. Occaisonally opportunities come for democracy to have a say in freeing the oppressed, and when they happen, it is hope for the rest of the oppressed.

Eki would just have every nation go along in its own vaccuum, nothing ever changing.

The US gets a lot of things wrong at times, but they are mistakes of naivety at times, and mistakes made with no malice towards the common man.

Some of the nastiest people in the world consider the US the enemy, so if you want to jump on board that bus, Eki, you are free to do so, but if you wasted as much of your time condemning those people as you did the US, your words would have some meaning. Instead, you just sound like as Stalin would say a "useful idiot" who if you read your history, were those in the leftist parties or Communist parties of Western Europe, and people in the far left wing intelligista of American Society. In the 30's, they were very good at white washing some of the ills and crimes Stalin perpetrated against his own people in his many purges and pogroms. Eki, your knee-jerk dogmatic attack on all things American makes you sound just like those people from that era.

The thing is Eki, I would like to consider better of you, and I would like to think you just need to learn more about how things work, but I came to the conclusion you are an anti-American based purely on some sort of ill-logic that only you can explain. IN this thread and on others, I have challenged you repeately to condemn some truly nasty people with the same vigour that you attack the US. I have even AGREED with you to a limited extent when you made a point that could be consdered rational by a open mind, but you just don't stop. You quite frankly sound like a fool at times and for that, I am just going to have to keep refuting a lot of your baseless and knee-jerk arguments. You are so adept at changing the subject that at times is difficult, but nevertheless, I will do so. Why? For the sport of it....and maybe others will learn to think. I don't need people to agree with me Eki, but I would love to see them use logic and come by their arguments in some rational fashion that is based in more than a desparate need to denigrate one nation based on the fact their Customs was rude to me.....

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Originally Posted by Eki

Traitor. From now on, I will call you a Bush appeaser or a Bush!te. Or maybe Another Bush Buff aka ABB.

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[Bushmode] Bring it on [Bushmode off]

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Originally Posted by Eki

I'd rather none of them have nuclear weapons.


How do you know that? Have they said they intend to do so? Or is it more like American politicians have claimed they could do so?

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It would be best if the things didn't exist, but they do.

It's got nothing to do with American politicians. The Ayatollah in Tehran is not a rational, sane person. If he wakes up in the morning and decides that god told him to nuke Israel in a dream then that's exactly what he will do. The same goes for Kim Jong Il. He's been shooting missles over the Sea of Japan. I'm sure the Japanese aren't very comfortable with a nuclear powered North Korea.

There is nothing to stop these guys from doing whatever they want other than the threat of retaliation from the West. These are not democracies. They are dictatorships both. If George Bush or Tony Blair decide they want to start throwing nukes around they will have to go through their respective governments. Unless there is a stunningly good reason for it they will get turned down and probably removed from office shortly there after.

Come on Eki, you don't honestly think the US and Iran are comparable nations, do you?

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Originally Posted by fousto

Ha china and their new satellite missile. Who gives a ****. So you think we are dumb enough to put up all of our satellites without any means do defend our position. i know many of you anti american fools are rooting for anyone to take us on but you are just kidding yourselves. we can destroy the world without ever leaving home. you guys need to get a clue because you know we never will unless it is over. The fools you need to worry about are countries like Iran and the likes. Why do you think the Russians threw in the towel - simple because they finally figured out there was no way to win. china will figure out the same. This whole thing is a joke. We are just trying to keep the rouge nations from doing damage in the free world. you guys seem to sit there and think there is some magical nation that is going to appear and militarily defeat us. What are you smoking. you need to be concerned about you future and not who might be able to screw us because if we go down you are coming right along with us.

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So your saying America could take on the whole world in war and win??????

If the USA fought the UK alone in total war the whole world would be annihilated.
China is just trying to show America that they can't get there own way all the time. This whole thing is similar to how WW1 started. Nationalism, Germans trying to show the British Empire didn't rule the world.

BTW You said the US is saving the free world. Maybe America sould become a free country before they think about that :laugh: