Prokop has pictures of a Ford Raptor T1? on his FB.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kTxXhSFitk
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Prokop has pictures of a Ford Raptor T1? on his FB.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kTxXhSFitk
This is a surprise,
Toyota going 2 wheel drive.
http://www.motorsportmedia.co.za/article.asp?conID=4299
I wonder how much is mind games. Has Dakar ever been won with a forward engine 2wd vehicle?
http://blog.toyota.co.uk/toyota-hilux-evo-dakar-2017
Been trying to see where the engine is mounted from all the pics,
Whatever the configuration, knowing Glynn Hall he does everything for a reason and I have no doubt it will be very competitive.
At least it still looks like a Hilux, unlike some present cars (Buggies)
From the article: The engine and transmission are relocated between the axles.
Since it's big V8 I don't think it can be placed in front behind the front axle but maybe I am wrong.
Probably not overly difficult to move the v8 engine in the spaceframe Hilux. Hopefully Dakar does not have a mud bath day, like this year.
The Toyota V8 engine is used in the NZV8 Toyota Camry space frame 2wd rear drive touring cars. The engine is well back with a TTI sequential gearbox coupled to it.
http://pitcrewdesign.co.nz/the-new-k...vs-nzv8-camry/
http://australiancar.reviews/2UR-GSE-engine.php
Toyota are also getting back into desert racing in the US with former Dakar driver BJ Baldwin - V8 and rear wheel drive
http://score-international.com/video...-trophy-truck/
http://global.yamaha-motor.com/jp/pr...4/pdf/gs06.pdf
They are quoted as saying "Atkinson Cycle V8 engine" from Lexus, is this the same power unit you are talking about?
Is this Peugeot 3008 DKR real or a photoshop?
http://www.diariomotor.com/competici...para-el-dakar/
I think Peugeot will continue to have it as a 2008, but since it's a silhouette car, it wouldn't be hard to rebrand it to a 3008.
On a different note, a couple of weeks ago there was an interview with Jean-Claude Vaucard on rallye-sport.fr: http://www.rallye-sport.fr/jean-clau...de-sport-auto/
He said that Peugeot hired him again after the 2015 Dakar. He was there for a month, and gave them a list of what to change on the car. They did 80% of that for 2016 and they won; the rest is supposed to come this year. After all, not too surprising given the fact he had a lot to do with the 205 T16, Xsara Kit Car, Xsara WRC, C4 WRC and VW Race Touareg 2...
Edit: looks like I was wrong, it will be 3008 this year.
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0...92&oe=5841FAB8
New 3008 road car is city-offroader.
So looks like Peugeot is the team to beat in 2017!!
However we must bear in mind that for them they are down 1mm on the air restrictor from last dakar.
Mini will have the same if that is what they are going to race in for 2017.
Toyota will go 1mm up from what I gather.
It is left to be seen what the organizers have in mind with the rout. i.e. will it favour 4WD or 2WD in comparison with last year...??
Any thoughts?
Looking at budget and driver lineup Peugeot has to be the favorites,
I am unashamedly biased towards Toyota, i know the team and the drivers and really hope the direction they have taken is a winning one, Giniel de Villiers and Nasser are proven race winners,a dark horse will be Leeroy Poulter, he is crazy fast and talented, when it all comes together he will raise a lot of eyebrows.
I havnt seen what a possible Mini lineup will be, all the big names are either in Pug or Toyota.
The route is a mystery....
The biggest - and decisive - question will be the route. If still the major parts are at high altitude, nothing will beat a turbodiesel. In theory offroad would be better for the buggys (Peugeot, Toyota). But in 2016 the Peugeots - especially Loeb - were faster than the Minis even on WRC like roads (as long as they were really pushing).
To sum it up: In 2017 my money will be on Loeb.
Diesel or Petrol would matter I guess when it comes to altitude but Grant is right when it comes to whether it is 2WD or 4WD might not really matter with today's regulations. In fact all indications are the 2WD buggies may have a all round advantage
If am not mistaken the Petrols have been granted the additional 1mm for the air restrictor to address the altitude disadvantage. They have a minimum weight advantage too this time around.
If I remember right, the Petrols air restrictor was progressively brought down to 31mm a decade ago. The diesels have remained constant at 38mm. As such I too have a gut feeling that this might be the year of the Toyotas with the Diesels and Petrols both standing at 38mm. When it comes to budget there is no regulation yet right?
Wont be surprised if we see a different body. Looks like a cut and paste job from the 4WD frame to the new one. Dont see any spare wheels either. Best place maybe in the center like the peugeot buggies for best weight distribution.
Just saw this on Toyota web site:
The Toyota Hilux Evo has a target weight that is nearly 600 kilograms lighter than the current race vehicle, and even though attaining that target is nearly impossible, the new vehicle will certainly have a significantly better power-to-weight ratio.
Hope they can capitalize on the minimum weight advantage to the max before the Dakar!
From what i understand that is what the car will look like.
Different angles make the car look very different,
Spare wheels have been behind the front doors on the Hilux for the last 2 Dakar's , i suspect they are still there.
Unfortunately i no longer get anywhere near the workshop to go and take a closer look..
Okay.
There are many ways of achieving a good balance I guess. Yes need to see more angles of the vehicle. Looking forward to see it in action.
Khalid Al-Qassimi deco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O9qr8qIQeU
http://webdocs.npo.fr/RALLYEMAROC201...Y-LIST-FIA.pdf
Toyota with 4WD
New Peugeot 3008 DKR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC2P0b9ZJ9A
GDV giving the Hilux EVO the beans. Sounds like the 2UR-GSE has had a bit development.
http://tinyurl.com/gwfnhaa
Toyota with Nasser leading after 2nd leg of Rally Du Maroc!
4WD, 2WD, Diesel, Petrol all pretty close with Mini showing consistent results.
The better pilots will shine!
After many failed attempts Tatra-Buggyra finally managed to get both top Czech truckers together - Loprais (Tománek, Stross) and Kolomý (kilián brothers). Let's see how it works.
http://buggyra.com/admin/files/artic...ais_kolomy.jpg
Toyota reverting to 4x4 for 2017 Dakar
http://www.carmag.co.za/speed_post/d...l-drive-hilux/
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0...cd&oe=58938D46
Great team spirit from XRaid crews in Portugal. Hirvonen and team mates drove old Minis in an extreme road challenge and are now doing mechanical job for Portuguese driver Ricardo Porem at Baja Portalegre!
https://pt-pt.facebook.com/mikkowrc/
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0...80&oe=589E992E
Congrats to Ricardo Porem/Filipe Palmeiro and Xraid team (including the new mechanics!) for a fantastic win at Baja Portalegre. Xavi Pons was 2nd on a Ford Ranger and Nuno Matos 3rd on his Depieres/Opel Proto, becoming Portuguese CC champion.
Classifications: http://bajaportalegre500.dyndns.org/...58&rfr=1&idx=1
Harry Hunt out of Dakar '17. Was it medical or car damage?
http://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/20...ed-dakar-2017/ (medical) another article said car damage.
Dumas is a fast support in 5th 3008 for the 4 Musketeers.
so eight (8) MINI´s from X-Raid, will they have any chance for win ?
Yes, Mini mostly with Hirvonen or Yazeed can win.
I still do rate Peugeot as clear candidate, with Naser and Giniel as main competitors
Dakar route (more high altitudes legs) and entry list:
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2017/us/route.html
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2017/us/r...ist-bikes.html
Kamaz to suspend future Dakar entries?
http://tass.com/sport/917757
I see Conrad R is in a Toyota for Dakar, let's hope Loeb does not get in the way.
Conrad has done a few local events in South Africa in Leeroy Poulter's absence, with Leeroy's navigator Rob Howie (Engineer at Hallspeed) in the hotseat, the car is likely and un-official 3rd Toyota Gazoo entry.... water carrier for Nasser and Giniel?
How about Nani Roma?
Isn't he in the 3rd Toyota?