Seeing as F1 has changed their points system, why haven't the FiA done the same with WRC? Is it so the Championship is kept close (artificially like 2008).
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Seeing as F1 has changed their points system, why haven't the FiA done the same with WRC? Is it so the Championship is kept close (artificially like 2008).
i think a points system should aim at pushing drivers to win events and benefiting winners rather than sick kids in order to keep it close.
I sort of agree. Maybe not to the F1 level as there aren't enough divers in WRC, but how about 15-10-7-5-4-3-2-1?
If they try to get drivers to go faster, then Im all for it.
The FIA invited today by fax heads of teams involved in the World Rally Championship, to advise on a possible change in the grading system in the WRC, which may become effective since the opening race of the competition, the Rally of Sweden, which As we know, goes Thursday to the road. As has been done to Formula 1 the 'proposal' is a score until the tenth ranked, with the same system agreed for the World of F1 2010.
Officials from several teams now have their say until 17:00 tomorrow, Tuesday, and the final decision will be announced on Wednesday. How can you calculate, for the rule becomes effective, all competitors must unanimously agree on the amendment. The proposals relate to all competitions in the FIA World Rally: WRC, PWRC, SWRC and JWRC.
And in your humble opinion, N.O.T., who are the sick kids of WRC? Please enlighten us with your honest and insightful descriptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
(Could be rather fun, this... :) )
The aim of doing this is as correct in Rally as in F1, but timing FIA, timing !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Is this Todt starting to act, and getting things done, or is it something they have thought about for 3 months, but forgot to send out .... ?
Lets see what they can do with the tech regs for 2011 - they need to get out soon as well !
It definitely is not the same in rallying than in F1. When should you push like hell to gain a place? Being one minute after? And loose it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
No the points system is good in F1 when two or more cars are fighting wheel to wheel. Not in rallying as much and I fear that Loeb will win more easily then....
Maybe thatīs the way Todt want it to be....? :rolleyes:
Rallyper c'mon now you actually think that 2nd place should get as much points as first place?
Why would any drier risk anything for two points extra?
I would welcome a more rewarding point system.
I agree, victory should be something special and properly rewarded. Thinking about it as bad because it makes Loeb's life easyier is biased. It's not a question of Loeb but a question of making victory worth fighting.
agree, if someone is good, he should be allowed to be, not to try to make other look better artificial way.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
As far as I'm concerned 2008 was rather silly - Loeb won 10-11 Rallies, more than double the amount Mikko won, yet he only won the Title on the penultimate round. This clearly is ridiculous - and artificially keeps the series alive. There should be a 5 point difference between 1st and 2nd.
Lol, that looks like Eurovision! Televoting from all the parts... make a call or send an sms! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Wasnt so difficult to discuss it at the Motor Sport Council? :p
110% agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Any news or hearsays how this turned out? It's comfirmed tomorrow, but deadline was today, right?
Everyone who wins a WRC event is worthy IMO. :uhoh:Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Loeb wins almost all the events despite Hirvonen pushing hard.
Richard Burns and Carlos Sainz always used to go for points rather than wins but I think that no WRC driver does that now.
I think the top 16 drivers should score points. :)
New point system after all:
http://wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101...s%20allocation
That is huge, huge news for me. That means Loeb will run away with the title as he will win so many rounds. It also (sadly) puts an end to any lingering hope I had of Petter winning - there is no chance a driver who only wins 1 or 2 events could win the title in this format.
For better or worse - it's hard to say.
Yeah, bit funny system.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennizw
this system gives slightly bigger advantage to winner and much bigger advantage to drivers who finish below 6th place. If you look last year results then 9 points difference between Hirvonen and Loeb was halfly thanks to Loebs 7th place superally finish in Poland. So, dont count anyone down.
1. 10*2.5=25
2. 8*2.25=18
3. 6*2.5=15
4. 5*2.4=12
5. 4*2.5=10
6. 3*2.67=8
7. 2*3=6
8. 1*4=4
So, nearly no change at the top but big changes on the lower places.
What's wrong if Loeb runs away with the Title? He is the best after all, the last 2 years have seen him not get away despite winning most of the Rallies, (especially in 2008). Mikko can no longer settle for safe 2nd/3rd places, he's got to go for it!! The driver who gets the most wins deserves the Title.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
There's absolutely nothing wrong with it and I agree with you Andy. Just predicting what will happen, and the effect of this new system.
By the way, you can access to this news only via this link. It wont appear under news section..???Quote:
Originally Posted by bennizw
Are you sure? That Carlos sure clocked up a lot of wins for a bloke who always went only for points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
http://wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101...nts+allocation
Yup - new points system!
Thank god they didn't change it to scoring points on each Day!
At first look it gives an image that Loeb would have an easier run for 7th title, but like said, it ain't that simple.
If Mikko will improve his attack so that he'll be winning where he should be (last year Norway, Portugal, GB at least should have been possible), so then this new points system won't give too much advantage for Loeb. You know, win some, loose some.
Also, if - and only if - Petter, JML and Dani could take victories this points system would turn out even more thrilling.
But it's all ifs - if Loeb will win all the rounds (which he won't) it doesn't matter how much the points difference is to runner-ups. Also - if you DNF, it's possibly minus 25 points and that makes a huge difference also. In the same sense, this new system will perhaps give too much points for those that continue under super rally rule.
The change In points system Is really great news...
Nice to see FIA took under consideration drivers and wrc fans feedback!
Yeah maybe but then again its a bit like going back to gr.A era when drivers were awarded 20 points from a win and so on. I dont see it as a too good change. On those days,some of the fans were already unhappy because drivers didnīt wanted to attack in fear of losing too many important points for the championship and decided to save their cars and just driven to an end even when the gap was in 15 seconds, manufacturers given orders to secure the place and the upcoming points. So why it would change now?
I just afraid that all this reducing of costs including the new point system will freeze the competition during the rally. On events what runs from thursday to saturday it wonīt have such a huge effect but on rallyes what runs on old format from thursday or friday to sunday it will surely do something and sunday will be even meaningless.
Its a good thing that the value of winning has been increased but by my mind it could been done even by giving 12 points to the winner example. If the champion is crowned earlier and he is the fastest guy its truly ok. Then again does WRC really need top10 to collect points? I would say no. Ok a good change to privateers but collecting points should be challenging in WRC. Not with the way that you have a WRC car but will be heavily outpaced... or even a gr.N or JWRC car on some events can be good enough.
The thing is that if Miko (or any other driver) will step up the pace to try and match Loeb, he will be more prone to make a mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Offcourse but that makes Loeb do drive faster and feel pressure too, and prone to make mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwalker
It's funny that third place is worth relatively more in the new system.
25/2.5=10
18/2.5=7.2
15/2.5=6
12/2.5=4.8
10/2.5=4
The most interesting thing is that positions from spot nr 6 are rewarded very highly. So, getting many points with superally becomes big problem.
This scoring system is pretty bad IMO. I like how rewarding it is to win, but second place really gets shafted. It'd be much better even if 2nd got 19 instead of 18.
yeah but it might be an incentive for Mikko to push during the second and third day not just match the pace to keep 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by serial jeff
I dont like the fact that Slowson, Block, Villagra, Kimi will get that many points when they come back after super rally. I hope S2000 competitors are fast enough so those WRC's that come back after super rally dont have chances of getting so many points.
I can predict Mikko crashing alot more this year on tarmac events like Spain, because loosing 7 points to the winner if he gets second place is almost like loosing the championship.
I think is REALLY good news! I don't really want Loeb to win, but if he does, then fair play to him! And with points going down to 10th we'll see more privateers and Production/ S2000 cars in the points - which has got to be good for them and their sponsors!
But if loeb retires and Hirvonen wins, Loeb will loose 25 point and possibly his championship lead in just one rally!
It doesn't matter if You loose 25 from 200 or 10 from 80 (both 8 wins). What matters is that in new system You need less than 4 victories to get those lost points back and in previous system You need 5 victories (in case Your opponent is always second).
Rautenbach should have 36 points instead of 9 last year.
I don't understand why the top 10 can score points now. In 2001 you could score points when you were in the top 6, now with very poor entry lists the driver can score points when he is in the top 10. Very strange.
and your point??? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza
To a sponsor points can often prove justification that your investment is paying off - and with less and less manufacturer rides out there, we need more sponsors willing to invest the kind of money required to do the WRC!