Have not seen this mentioned anywhere but unable to see the race i was later told that Alonso brake tested hamilton. Is that correct ?
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Have not seen this mentioned anywhere but unable to see the race i was later told that Alonso brake tested hamilton. Is that correct ?
No brake test. Lewis takes the blame for having a problem avoiding the car in front.Quote:
Originally Posted by seppefan
It was suggested as such by the commentators.. and apparantly in the McLaren garage.. didnt look like he braked to me tho, maybe could/should have been giving more throttle.. but wouldnt call it a brake test personally.
The stewards decided no investigation was necessary, and Hamilton admitted culpability.
Move on, nothing to see here.
Yes, Alonso used also dreaded dark magic to curse poor Hamilton...
I was surprised at how much of a better exit Hamilton got. However Renault apparently released telemetry showing that Fernando was flat so there's really no finger wagging required.
I suspect Lewis knew that it was Alonso in front and didn't have quite the same head on as normal when it came to overtaking him.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/66448Quote:
When asked about the speculation of a brake test, Alonso said: "Well, Pat Symonds told me now that rumour, and he has printed now the data to show everybody. It is totally rubbish, but what can I do?"
Autosport.com has seen the telemetry data of Alonso's exit from the first corner, and it shows that the Spaniard was flat on the throttle from the exit, did not touch the brake and gained speed in a totally predictable manner.
Symonds, who is Renault's executive director of engineering, said that Alonso had done nothing to contribute to the accident.
"Fernando was coming out of the turn and accelerating down the straight," explained Symonds. "He reached fifth gear, at 227km/h, on full throttle, no touching of the brakes or anything like that. And you can see on the accelerometer the impact. He got hit from behind.
"I think all I can say from our side is that there is no blame attributable to Fernando, which is what some of the speculation might be. But it does say we are not getting onto the straights very well, we are suffering a bit with traction, engine speed and engine torque."
When asked about the view of some experts in the paddock who believed it could have been a brake test, Symonds said: "Well, they are not as expert as they think then. We have the data and there is nothing untoward there. You don't need to be an expert to see that."
Well I guess its obvious then... Hamilton is using some form of TC...Got a better exit of the corner because of it, and simply lost focus and rammed Alonso... :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by AndySpeed
I guess it is well-known that I'm no Alonso fan, but I cannot really see any blame here. Had he lifted, they would have crashed, not just touched.
The interesting thing is that with Hamilton having such a better exit, he would have probably passed him easily :mark:
Mr Magoo where are you ? :wave: :laugh:
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should lewis be given a penalty ?Quote:
telemetry data of Alonso's exit from the first corner, and it shows that the Spaniard was flat on the throttle from the exit, did not touch the brake and gained speed in a totally predictable manner.
if alonso was going at full speed and was hit from behind by lewis is it the other way around did lewis try to take alonso out.
if not i think lewis should be given a penalty for reckless driving.
He lost every chance in the race. That looks like enough punishment to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
Lewis deserves a bit of credit. It's not every race in F1 where a driver admits it his fault.
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Originally Posted by thunderbolt
Why would Lewis want to hit Alonso from behind when he has far more to loose? besides the fact that the front of the car is far more fragile than the rear.
You havent thought this one through have you?
Kudos to him for doing so. Definitely his worst ever race, however!Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Yeah, magic is something related to darkness, if not it's purely karma ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
At first I thought it was Hamilton's fault, but after seeing it again I think both men are blameless. It seemed that they just both went to the right at the same time.
Alonso seemed to have bad traction all weekend, and maybe he anticipated a move from Hamilton, but a bit further down the track, so went to defend but Lewis was already going there himself.
Maybe Lewis wasn't sharp enough to avoid the Renault and Fernando was a bit careless but it didn't look like a brake test to me. Lewis wouldn't have been in that position if he had made a better start so he made the situation for himself anyway.
Small tip for LH, make a good start and never ever drive around FA if he doesn't want his dream falling down.
DC had experienced the same when his fast McLaren trying to overtake Renault last 3-4 years. The difference DC took the accident himself, didn't hit the car in front.
Pretty tough to blame Alonso when Lewis is admitting it's his fault...
It's hilarious it's even been mentioned that it's in any way Alonso's fault. It was clear as day on tv that Lewis just plain ran up the back of him. He tried to get too much of a draft before attempting the pass.
FA might laugh at that admission, last year he denied that McLaren favored him to win.
It's just easier to make excuse towards something visible at the track. :D
Geez... i've just watched it 2 or 3 times, and i can see no real evidence of Fernando making any big movements right........ Lewis just ploughed up the back of him.
Anyways, Lewis has admitted his error, so this thread is pointless really.
Where's the fun in that? I love it how they made a story of it on ITV without Lewis even having spoken a word on the topic. Of course McLaren piped up about it but they are bound to aren't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
crashes during practice...
muffed start to open the GP....
mounting alonso's gearbox...
no real criticism from the media...
the guy can walk on water i tell ya!
Now I don't really like Lewis as a driver but that's utter rubbish. Everyone in the media and on the forum need to chill out a bit. It's one race :crazy: Massa was apparently getting fired after 2 bad races and now he's won one. Lewis has had ONE bad race out of three. No one is perfect and even the best drivers aren't perfect. I think Sebastien Loeb is about as perfect as they come and even he makes mistakes. Somehow the media seem to project the idea that the best drivers are perfect when in fact they're not perfect at all.......Quote:
Originally Posted by ten-tenths
wow how is that rubbish? you just helped me prove my point. if it was massa he would have been crucified. the fact of the matter is the media LOVES hamilton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Not really......Quote:
Originally Posted by ten-tenths
Massa didn't deserve criticism but got it. Lewis doesn't deserve criticism and didn't get it. Doesn't prove anything about Lewis really..... more about Massa and what the media think of him.
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Originally Posted by Daniel
really...
so the media is biased? :)
No. Never :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ten-tenths
It seemed very odd to me as to where and when the two cars got close.
Another one for the X-Files. ;) (Aliens I tell you...)
No, no, more about how shi!ty the media rae these days. Honestly almost all they write is rubbish! Nowadays you almost need to be a genius to be able to find the good columns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
After all, no news is as good as bad news!
Most of the time drivers admit their mistakes, especially if it is as obvious as Lewis` situation was.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
I am surprised some people have been promoting the guess that Alonso braketested Hamilton. How stupid do you have to be to actually fall for that?
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Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Is that during or after the race? If it was the latter then I would agree with you.
Not stupid at all, given that Alonso has done irrational moves like that before, and the unusual difference in speed between the two cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
What some people failed to see a couple of weeks ago was that FA did a cheeky squeeze on the pit straight as he was side by side with a BMW (NH??).Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Didn't see that mentioned on the forum.
If that was Schumi most people would've called that 'dirty driving'
Well, initially I suspected that Freddy may have lifted but it seems that Lewis failed to appreciate just how slow he was out of the corner.
Lewis's fault but a racing incident I think.
at forst sight it seemed like a strange circumstance, andwith the protaganists having some history i wasn't surprised by the thoughts, especially as there was obviously quite a speed differential at the point of impact, and then they decided to only show onebrief replay during the race that only compounded the mystery.
however, to me it looks obvious that Alonso was off line during the previous chicance (presumabley defending his line into turn 1 contriubuted to this) and as a result Lewis got a fantastic run on him out of the chicane.
from that position he should have cruised alongside and executed an easy pass into the next turn, but Alonso started to move accross to cover the line a little (fairly) and Lewis seems not to have reacted, picked up the drive and the draft and cruised into the back wheel.
i'm glad he took responsibility before a witch hunt was taken up against Alonso, although it was not a complete impossibility that a slight lift could have contributed, i'm glad that in this case it wasn't the case.
i was also surprised to read that Lewis said it was his fault for teh start, didn't see about that until this morning, and assumed that as it was such an atrocious get away that there had been some sort of problem, which of course there was, but it was down to Lewis not pressing the right button at the right time - from there on in i thought he looked a little impatient, like the red mist had descended and in his haste he made a further mistake (not unlike the first lap in Brazil last year)
i hope he can improve this trait and channel that agression a little more effectively
So I've looked at this video 10-15 times and the more I see it the more it looks like Alonso moved aggressively into Hamilton Line to defend his position and thereby ( by his lack of speed, deliberate or not) simply caused Hamilton to run into the back of his car
http://ballhype.com/video/gp_de_bahr...contra_alonso/
I see Alonso coming off the corner on the ideal line and then moving into the middle of the race track for no reason other than to bother LH, who was clearly going to overtake him on that straight.
He did not pull out of his ideal line to overtake the car in from of him, he simply moved across the track with a faster car approaching him quickly.
I know LH took the high road and refused to lay blame on anyone else but himself. I also know that Renault are ferociously making available telemetry to prove otherwise, but my issue is not with the speed ( or lack thereof as they proclaim) but with the move to the inside of the track where a faster car was clearly outpacing them to overtake and he simply moved over to have that car crash into his back.
I'm pretty sure that this isn't going to be the end of this story as I've heard rumors that Renault and Alonso are going to be called in to explain themselves.
I would ask all who comment to watch the video first and see for themselves if his move to the inside was warranted or not.
an even better video
http://www.dailymotion.com/cluster/a...tre-hamil_auto
A classy post! especially from a partisan! I also am glad LH is taking responsibility. If I thought it really made a difference I'd be yelling for him to start attending(GPDA)saftey) meetings(wouldn't hurt but his decision) A lot of good drivers make mistakes especially young ones! You will never be the champ unless you are two things 1: capable 2: aggressive Ayrton, Mike, Fred, and etc. Hamilton may not always be driving through slower traffic. But those guys are racing you. Some harder than others.