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this is getting out of hand and making F1 a laughing stock!
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/7085098.stm
this is getting out of hand and making F1 a laughing stock!
IF they have been cheating then they deserve investigating and punishing the same way as McLaren, the precedent has been set, and IF they have been cheating i think that everyone on the grid will be a whole lot more careful with both there own information, and their sources of information in the future as the penalties are so severe.
personally i'd think the fact that they have enough on the case to bring a charge against Renault is the worrying thing, indicating that the spying saga is potentially quite prevavlent, but if this is able to put an end to it then great. i certainly belive that the McLaren case is certainly not an isolated one, they weren't the first, and they surely won't be the last, but they were caught and they deservedly have had an example made of them - perhaps there are an example or 2 more to be made before this whole thing is cleaned up?
why does this stuff follow Fernando around? ;)
It'll be interesting to see if the Renault case follows the pattern set by Stepneygate in all respects :dozey:
That depends on McLaren :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Indeed. Perhaps if Ron and Mansour Ojeh jump up and down spitting blood 'a la Mssrs Todt and Montezemelo', then maybe that will be enough to force the Renault board to pull the plug on the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Why now? I wonder if McLaren have been trying to get Max to go easy on their 2008 'negative points allocation', and got "no" for an answer?
I am pleased with this development, anyway, everyone knew Renault had the data and used it in their cars, so it was quite unfair that McLaren were being singled out. Not to mention Flav's hypocrisy about it.
Shouldn't someone be getting upset at the title of this thread ?
They have been accused , not convicted .
Given that Flavio was shouting that he would have liked the weight distribution info on the Ferrari as well , back when the data was streaming to McLaren from the reds , is it inconceivable that he is in the same situation that Ron said he was in ?
Perhaps he didn't know .
Not that that should excuse him from being responsible , as he signed on as being so , just like Ron .
But , that will likely be his story , using his public disdain for the McLaren saga as evidence of his state of mind at the time , using Ron's precedent to cop a lesser fine due to a lesser amount of info .
Playing in Flavio's favour also , is the fact that Renault never really looked like they had a hope , showing that , if they had a peek , they certainly didn't show it . It sure didn't look like the had .
What, like Pat Symonds has sent his wife down to the local photocopying shop?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
What, like if Renault have been in possession of a Mclaren dossier?
What, like if Martin Whitmarsh has been leaking info to Renault?
If there is hard evidence, like a dossier and email communication, then Renault should lose their constructors points for the 2007 season, just as Mclaren did.
Something tells me, however, that Renault's in-house management will have made pretty damn sure that even if hard evidence did at one time exist, it's long been removed.
Sometime between June & September, most likely.
Link please!Quote:
Originally Posted by passmeatissue
Bags, sorry, but I have grown weary of arguing of arguing what constitutes "cheating" but have gotten no clear definition so I ignore it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan