The world of Fiero, so he has spoken, so it shall be.

Obama has agreed to sell Taiwan a long wish list of weapon systems very much against the wishes of our owner, China.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

If you live in Taiwan and think it's good news, it isn't. What he has actually done is to put you are on notice that you're on your own. We aren't coming. We sold you the weapons you wanted to maintain your freedom and you didn't do it and we aren't coming.

We will however, get a sharp note of protest in the UN inbox right away.

Taiwan is actually a living proof for that China isn't a warlike nation. 60 years of talk about Taiwan, but no action.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Taiwan is actually a living proof for that China isn't a warlike nation. 60 years of talk about Taiwan, but no action.

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Tell that to the Tibetans, Eki. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Eki

Taiwan is actually a living proof for that China isn't a warlike nation. 60 years of talk about Taiwan, but no action.

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The 7th fleet kind of got in the way Eki. Remember what I said about how superpowers tend not to not want to confront each other head on? Well for years the US was physically there protecting Taiwan. Fiero is saying maybe they are on their own now....

Personally? I think until about 20 years ago, China had enough on its plate that taking Taiwan was just lipservice. Still, I look at what they do to minorities like Tibet, and wonder just what will they do if they do get it into their heads and be serious about invading Taiwan.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Tell that to the Tibetans, Eki. :rolleyes:

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And the Koreans and the Vietnamese.

If only it were true, then good. One down... a few dozen more to go. But I suspect when we get to the I's, there'll be squealing like a stuck pig (no pun intended).

I think Obama is pulling back into military isolationism as much as possible. He now says he intends to start the withdrawl from Afghanistan in 2011. He set no conditions for withdrawl, only that we're leaving. If the Taliban and al-Qaeda factions are smart, they will cease operations and allow him to flee. The faster things quiet down, the faster we will leave. The planned, world saving invasion of Iran in order to defang their nuclear program has been called off. Obama, far from having the respect of world leadership, is instead viewed as an arrogant, glib, gutless joke. He is an organizer, not a leader. The majority of people that voted him into office in this country now wish they hadn't. He knows that some in his own party wanted to put George Bush on trial over Irag. He sees what the Brits are doing, foolishly, to Blair over Iraq. Without an intentional, overt act of war by the Iranian government, Obama, thankfully, won't be invading. In fact, we will be coming home from the Middle East completely. The man went to the Middle East offering to bring peace to the region and was sent packing. You don't do that to a man with Obama's arrogance and ego. His plan rejected, he will be quite content to watch the region tear itself to shreds. Everybody, including the Saudis and Israel, will be on their own.

I'll be glad we are leaving. We have no business there.

IMO China is slowly becoming the number 1 superpower in the world, any idea about confrontation with it is ridiculous. The whole world will fall from ecomomic crisis if this to happen. But I doubt that they will invade Taiwan, IMO. But they will not give freedom to anyone, IMO.
About the Middle East, I don't think that you can do a lot there. All the sides are unwilling for compromise, Arabians, Israelis, Iranians. It seems that they want to hate each other. What can you do about this?

I am not saying China wouldn't invade Taiwan if they thought it would be advantageous to do so and they thought they could avoid a major war.
However, China knows an invasion would be fairly costly and most likely most of Taiwan's infastruture would be badly damaged.
There is more cooperation and trade between the entities than many people realize.
When we had our fishing tackle store our best selling reel by far was Okuma a mainland Chinese Co. Some models of their reels were made in Taiwan!

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

And the Koreans and the Vietnamese.

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What about them? China hasn't invaded them.

Edit: OK, I was wrong China attacked Vietnam in 1979 after Vietnam had invaded Cambodia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

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The Sino–Vietnamese War (Vietnamese: Chiến tranh biên giới Việt-Trung/ 戰爭邊界越-中?), also known as the Third Indochina War, was a brief but bloody border war fought in 1979 between the People's Republic of China (PRC) and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. The PRC launched the offensive in response to Vietnam's invasion and occupation of Cambodia, which ended the reign of the PRC-backed Khmer Rouge. After a brief incursion into Northern Vietnam, PRC troops withdrew about a month later. Both sides claimed victory in the last of the Indochina Wars of the twentieth century; practically speaking, though, since Vietnamese troops remained in Cambodia until 1989 it can be said that the PRC failed to achieve their goal of dissuading Vietnam from involvement in Cambodia.

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But still, Korea?