absolutely, though no more than I want to see a lot of any other carQuote:
Originally Posted by Brother John
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absolutely, though no more than I want to see a lot of any other carQuote:
Originally Posted by Brother John
It's a shame about Sordo, he is a good driver and a perfect number 2, but I dont see him getting a seat simply because he's a very calm guy. He dosen't really show his face that much and he seems like a guy who is in his spot and does his work and that's it, he usually does not show his face cooking stakes and making funny jokes (like Petter Solberg) and although they may say otherwise teams like a guy who is a bit of show off from time to time.
If Prodrive is smart, they take SordoQuote:
Originally Posted by kakus
This's not normal: Citroen wants 3 millions euros from Sordo for next season and Ford wants only one million for nine events in 2011.. Is this normal?!
http://www.as.com/motor/articulo/mil...asdaimot_5/Tes
That can be sigh that P.Solberg is a third Citroen driver..
Guess Wilson already found some new sponsors, and just 1 million is left to complete the budget. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Do you think the Santander Group?Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
Santander to save Sordos career.
http://translate.google.com/translat...2F11%2F1216073
So Sordo in Fords 3rd car and Petter in Citroens third car? Is that right?
Hmmm i would not exactly call it a save....i mean he will drive a ford.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Dani won't be in Aus next year then, good to see how it goes with Ford
:o
Citroen is really mad of Sordo. Not only they kick him out of the factory team, but they also want back all the salary they paid him the last 5 years. A drive in the DS3 in 2011 costs Sordo 2.998.465,56 euro and 5 botlles of wine (the same they gave him as a X-mas bonus). Did Sordo sleep with Quesnel's wife? :)
This's **** and not sport anymore..
Despite what we are told, the sport is still a mess. If Sordo is needing to bring a money for a budget then nothing much has changed. Okay, so he’s not a number 1 driver, but he racks up consistent top 5/6 finishes, plus podiums on Tarmac. He should have a seat – the FiA should never have got rid of 3 car teams, thereby allowing a ‘specialist’ driver – which always added something to the mix in days gone by; Liatti on Tar, Eriksson on gravel/snow for example.
If Ford are serious, they should sign him up pronto – unfortunately, they’re needing money for drives. I would like to know how much money Ford actually put in – seeing as M-Sport rely on AbuDhabi-BPCastrol for sponsorship, and require pay drivers.
They said cost cutting and they brought 1.6T WRC but increased km's/SS.. Bull****..
i think Sordo began his career with the best prospects (beating meeke in identical equipment) but his lack of development on gravel left no choice to citroen i think...On tarmac he was the closest thing to Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Consistent 4-5 places when the newcommer with far less experience than you scores wins doesn't make you look good either...
for ford is a good choice for tarmac events but what about gravel ??
its been a long time since a top driver changed team, it will be interesting to see how big the difference between Sordo and Latvala is on tarmac, also it might indicate how good car the Citroen really is or was.
+1 on that. Funny thought about this: Does M-Sport really want to find out how bad their car is ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
indeed...and since the car is a new one the usual excuses of experience which Burns, Mcrae, Makinen used when they went from a top team to another will not have any substance this time around.
of course if the change happens that is...
i think at the start the cars will not have big differences...at least i hope, but in the end those who aim for the top will make a difference from those that aim for their wallet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaffi
Im sorry but this is ridiculous, how come they want the salary back from a job (correctly) done?! Sordo going to Ford is a huge slap in the face of Citroen, they thought Sordo would only compete in WRC with Citroen and if he didn't get a car from them he would leave the series. Guess they were wrong and I salute Sordo for going to Ford.Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
I think this whole thing is a BIG mistake, marketing wise. Let's not forget that Citroën is in WRC because they want to sell cars. Spain is a huge market for them. What they have done by kicking Sordo out is basically alienating a whole nation of young guys away from the Citroën dealerships.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
And by the way, WTF do they need 2 french drivers for when you already have one who wins everything ?? And just a thought : what if these 2 french guys start developing a rivalry (knowing the french I'm pretty sure it's already starting) and this team ambiance becomes sour, with the french press in the middle... I think Olivier Quesnel has started something that Guy Frequelin would not have fallen for.
Lets see how long it takes for the Citroën Spain boss to make the call to France headquarters and ask some questions why their sales have suddenly dropped.
I was thinking the same, Ogier is no pussy, remember what happend after the team made him give space for petter in Mexico, his manager contacted Ford right away to make pressure on Citroen, after that he has got about everything he want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaffi
Ogier is there to replace Loeb long-term. If Loeb wins next year he's already said he'd probably retire so it's really a succession model for Citroen...Loeb phased out, Ogier phased in, then another guy to come in beside Super Seb MkII.
Although this works only if Loeb decides to leave. What if he suddenly starts having a new goal : not getting beaten by Ogier, and decides to hold on a little more. It is a pretty big gamble from Quesnel all at the cost of the Spannish market.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
Your answer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaffi
Loeb to retire, HOPEFULLY year after next and Ogier becomes French King.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
Don't think it's the car.... drivers - I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaffi
I think overall Quesnel decides the goals, even for Loeb....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaffi
Not only... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
Telefonica? Repsol?Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
As for the Citroen situation Spain is a mature market for Citroen and I doubt that Sordo was so well loved by all Spanish car buyers for them to totally abondon a car manufacturer if Sordo doesnt drive for Citroen. Norway on the other hand was a bit of a barren land for Citroen and has now seen an increase in sales.
As for the Loeb / Ogier situation, I reckon Ogier is the future and Citroen know this, Loeb will evolve into a Peugoet Le Mans driver in 2012.
Finally a big change for Ford to have a tarmac driver. Sordo is fast on tarmac, knows a lot of the Citroen car, even the DS3. So he can help M-Sport with prepare the Fiesta WRC for tarmac.
Sordo is no way fast on gravel and don't talk about snow... but on tarmac he is very fast and can develop the Fiesta and maybe even the team.
I remember reading that it is easier to make a Tarmac biased car competitive on Gravel than a Gravel biased car competitve on Tarmac. It seems Citroen make theirs as a Tarmac car, while Ford is set up for Gravel, so having 5 gears and relying on torque is hurting them on Tarmac.
I can recommend the October Motorsport magazine podcast which is a WRC special – an interesting listen.
http://www.motorsportmagazine.co.uk/...alcolm-wilson/
I don`t think that Sordo is slow on gravel that much as you guys presenting in this thread.
2007: Mexico 4-th, Sardegna 3-rd, Japan 2-nd,
2008: Argentina 3-rd, Jordan 2-nd, Sardegna 5-th, Acropolis 5-th, Turkey 4-th, Finland 4-th, New Zealand 2-nd, Wales 3-rd,
2009: Cyprus 4-th, Portugal 3-rd, Argentina 2-nd, Poland 2-nd, Finland 4-th, Australia 3-rd, Wales 3-rd
This driver you can`t call slow on any surface for sure.
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Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
So we can expected this nice livery again?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
http://rallye-info.com/images/photos.../dani_sola.jpg
I agree with you....Can not understand how suddenly some people are presenting Sordo was slow on gravel....if somebody will look his times at stages the last three years will easily see that for sure nobody can call him slow driver on gravelQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarac330d
Sordo is actually a very good driver on both surfaces, OK tarmac is his best, but the guy has been a victim of the Ogier sensation making him look second rate. Interestingly I think Loeb would have preferred Sordo as team mate, as its all "friends" between Loeb and Sordo and not so much between the two Seb's - Loeb and Sordo shared a race car together last weekend. Personally I think Ogier rocks, I just loved the quote when asked about how he felt that Loeb won his 7th title for Citroen and in France, and Seb 2.0 says "he is glad for Citroen, and now Loeb has won in France he intends to do so as well"
Allez Seb 2.0, one of my favourite drivers of all time. You just watch what this guy does and who will come close to him.
I was more thinking of Sordo's Fiesta WRCar:
http://www.rallye-info.com/galleryph...4&mediaid=3133
IMO even for few tarmac rallies it would worth for Ford to hire him. He’s a real tarmac expert and knows how a car should act on tarmac to be fast and he’s not that bad on gravel even. Maybe he’s had this year little problem with the motivation when dropped to the Junior team and has maybe even been little worried about future.
not slow but not very good either to justify his place for a solid 2nd driver in such a competitive sport....Quote:
Originally Posted by JTGANG
Yeah and not only Loeb but Ogier, Latvala, Solberg and Hirvonen are all faster on gravel. Sordo is not slow on gravel, but i dont think he ever will be competing with Hirvonen and Latvala on in the Ford on gravel.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
At the beggining of the season Sainz told it's hard situation for the next season.. But for that money?! I would rather give that to poor children in Africa then to Wilson's or Quesnel's pocket..