People Power

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

. . . for you.

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These so called "problems" did exist for me many years ago. I decided they were not "problems" but just a temporary roadblock and found a way around them. I don't expect my neighbour to cut my lawn, I cut it myself.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Yes, that is correct.

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That's disappointing because it appears as if you're looking at things from the narrow perspective of your own situation which is, undoubtedly a successful one and credit to you for that.

You appear to argue that everyone has the same chance of moving up the ladder and that is certainly the idea behind equality of opportunity but the fact is as income differences have widened, social mobility has slowed.

Put simply the opportunity for people to do as you've done is decreasing because of inequality in society.

Do you not see this as a problem because you've already climbed the ladder?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

You appear to argue that everyone has the same chance of moving up the ladder and that is certainly the idea behind equality of opportunity but the fact is as income differences have widened, social mobility has slowed.

Put simply the opportunity for people to do as you've done is decreasing because of inequality in society.

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I keep hearing that. But what is physically stopping a poor person from moving up? There are plenty of examples of this happening. You repeatidly state that the occurances of people moving up is slowing, but you never explain what barriers there are now to social mobility. Back 50 years ago, the wealth gap was less, but a guy was able to become incredibly wealthy, after starting out relatively poor. What barriers have been put up since then? WHY does the ratio between the really poor and the really rich effect social mobility?

Correlation does not equal causation.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Do you not see this as a problem because you've already climbed the ladder?

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I have not climbed the ladder to any sort of height as 555, but I don't see that as some sort of problem to be solved. I have made choices in my life, and I am where I am. If I become unhappy with where I am I will do something to change it. Why must everything be someone else's fault?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

WHY does the ratio between the really poor and the really rich effect social mobility?

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Here's just one reason:

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Greater inequalities of outcome seem to make it easier for rich parents to pass on their advantages.

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Evidence: Social Mobility | The Equality Trust

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I have not climbed the ladder to any sort of height as 555, but I don't see that as some sort of problem to be solved.

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I agree. You're happy, 555's happy. There is no problem from your own individual perspective.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

All government money comes from the private sector.

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By exactly the same token, all money that flows into corporations derives originally from the public, in one way or another.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

Bono, who's kinda successful protests all the time against something (or anything?). A bunch of millionaires called Metallica truly enjoys writing songs about how desperate it is living in this world. Then there's Wyclef Jean and many more.

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What do you advocate? Banning them from doing so?

I would add that good songs about hedge funds and derivative trading are few in number. So are good songs from any of the artists you mention.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

These so called "problems" did exist for me many years ago. I decided they were not "problems" but just a temporary roadblock and found a way around them. I don't expect my neighbour to cut my lawn, I cut it myself.

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I can't seem to stress enough that, again, you seem not to have in you the ability to understand that not everyone wants to follow exactly your path; that those who protest are not all lazy by any means; and that in these little stories you tell about your own life, you are, I hate to tell you, far from exceptional, yet you bring them out as though they ought to be incredible revelations for those of us whose opinions are to the left of your own.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

All government money comes from the private sector.

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All money is a reflection of the goods and services being produced by an economy (or borrowed from someone else). Goods and services can be produced by either people working in government or the private sector.

Quoted for truth:

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

By exactly the same token, all money that flows into corporations derives originally from the public, in one way or another.

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Theoretically if what Mr Riebe said was true, then in a totally statist economy, nothing at all would have been produced at all. Are we therefore to take it that this magically appeared from nowhere?
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Originally Posted by BDunnell

So at no time has a boss ever been at fault in such a situation, and sacked someone they shouldn't have?

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Many times Bosses have made bed decisions. But a Good employee would be snapped up quickly even in a down economy

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

You have an extremely narrow definition of what constitutes success. It seems solely to involve monetary income and, somehow, the fact that a successful person never protests.

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We are discussing the economics and Jobs....Not some silly, altruistic, Ideal spewed forth by some one who wants to appear superior by appearing all Touchy feely.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So you guys are telling me that if I went to Monster.com or a thousand other job sites out there that there will be zero job postings, in or out of my field. And that absolutely zero percent of those jobs will pay at a higher rate than what I currently have? Interesting.

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No one has said that.--
Let's deal with this in a more serious manner.
If some who lost a job has spent years or decades to pay off his house and finally has. You are saying-- well hells bells jim-ed, just sell that house and move where a job is available.
So jim-ed does that, gets the job, buys a new house, the job ends so now he no longer has a house he owns, is tens of thousands of dollars more in debt than he was and no longer has a job.

Your simplistic senario fails to take into account the realities of life.


This country is no longer what it was where any one could simply get a factory, hard labor or janitor job (which pay very well).
Housing costs have soared so high, even with the houses sitting empty, that a job at quick-food joint will only pay enough to-- maybe -- rent a cheap apartment and which means zero money going in the bank.
The old rules no longer apply.