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3rd January 2013, 18:17
nigelred5

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

Dianne Feinstein

claims. Statements from her armed guards have also stated otherwise. Chuck Schumer's unrestricted and current permit is public record.
3rd January 2013, 18:47
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

I like senator Dianne Feinstein.

There is a sense in which she's being more courageous in mounting this campaign than are the vast majority of firearm owners.
3rd January 2013, 18:51
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

I understand your concerns about expanding the prison population, but especially for white collar offenders (who believe that if they get a paper cut, it is a "war wound"), I believe that the very real prospect of mandatory jail terms would be a very effective deterrent. I used to have a VERY heavy right foot while driving. But after having a nice "chat" with a traffic court judge (and him asking me if I liked to walk - what? huh? walk?! :eek :) , I decided that possibly losing my license was reason enough to slow down. So yes, deterrents can work... for some people. For those who are too thick to discontinue their criminal behavior, they wind up in prison cages for a few decades - but society is protected from them. And that's the most important thing, IMO.

It's not all about being too thick to learn, though, is it? Some very intelligent people may go on making the same mistakes, whether punishable ones or not. There may be other mitigating circumstances.

In general, though, your words are very wise.
3rd January 2013, 18:53
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

The culture that we have, where firearms ownership is rather normal, is most certainly a factor. I would never deny that. And it's not that I'm ignoring or neglecting to address that. But making suggestions which would change an entire culture is something which is WAY above my "pay grade". Quite simply, I have no idea how to (practically) do that. So I am addressing the most practical ideas which come to my mind which should reduce firearms related violence.

Sorry, forgot above to respond to this. I think your whole approach to the subject is, as explained above, most commendable.

I'm glad you, unlike others, acknowledge the cultural aspect. It came to mind again this morning upon hearing news of a triple shooting in Switzerland. In no way do Switzerland's relatively liberal gun laws concern me anywhere near as much as do the laws in the US, because I feel that the underlying culture in Switzerland is way different.
3rd January 2013, 19:22
chuck34

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

There is a sense in which she's being more courageous in mounting this campaign than are the vast majority of firearm owners.

Courage would be for her to stand up and say what she really means, that she would like to repeal the 2nd Amendment altogether. At least that I would respect, wouldn't agree, but respect.

Writing common law to circumvent a Constitutionally protected right, in my opinion, should be an impeachable offence. But I'm sure, once again, you will not be able to take your emotions out of this to see past your fear into what is right under the legal system of this country.
3rd January 2013, 19:24
Tazio

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

I like senator Dianne Feinstein.

United States Senator Dianne Feinstein

So does her constituency: "she claimed the record for the most popular votes in any U.S. Senate election in history, having received 7.75 million votes in 2012".......One of those i am proud to say was mine. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3462AZJRsiI
3rd January 2013, 19:26
chuck34

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

It came to mind again this morning upon hearing news of a triple shooting in Switzerland. In no way do Switzerland's relatively liberal gun laws concern me anywhere near as much as do the laws in the US, because I feel that the underlying culture in Switzerland is way different.

So at least you have come out and finally admitted it. You just don't like Americans, or at least you somehow don't trust us because of our "culture". How is it that my culture, my beliefs, my foundation to my moral life is any different than a Swiss person's (or was this guy still an Iraqi, same question regardless)? What makes the Swiss "culture" better, more moral? Why is the cold blooded murder of 3 individuals for no reason what-so-ever less monstrous than the cold blooded murder of 20? Is it simply numbers?

I find this statement of your's truly troubling.
3rd January 2013, 19:32
chuck34

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Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

So does her constituency: "she claimed the record for the most popular votes in any U.S. Senate election in history, having received 7.75 million votes in 2012".......One of those i am proud to say was mine. :)

A bit off topic (ok way off topic), but she's not even close to the record for percentage of the vote. Richard Lugar won 87.4% of the vote in 2006 (not sure if that's a record, just a number I know). Feinstein only got 62.5% in her election.
3rd January 2013, 19:40
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So at least you have come out and finally admitted it. You just don't like Americans, or at least you somehow don't trust us because of our "culture". How is it that my culture, my beliefs, my foundation to my moral life is any different than a Swiss person's (or was this guy still an Iraqi, same question regardless)? What makes the Swiss "culture" better, more moral? Why is the cold blooded murder of 3 individuals for no reason what-so-ever less monstrous than the cold blooded murder of 20? Is it simply numbers?

I find this statement of your's truly troubling.

Whether deliberately or not, you completely misunderstand and misrepresent what I wrote. I criticised a section of American opinion; you take this to mean that I 'don't like Americans'. This is utter nonsense, and I'd ask you to apologise. I don't like the American gun culture, true, but this is a very different thing. Surely you have the wit to draw the distinction?

'Truly troubling'? Really? Cease the hyperbole.
3rd January 2013, 19:44
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Writing common law to circumvent a Constitutionally protected right, in my opinion, should be an impeachable offence.

As I expected — you don't truly believe in freedom of speech and expression. It's just a front. As soon as it diverts what you consider to be too far from your own views, you're willing to see people, for example, impeached.

As an afterthought, I'm increasingly delighted the UK doesn't have a written constitution for people to get absurdly hung-up about.

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