People Power

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Another example of the undue confidence you have in the private sector, if I may say so.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

That particular cry is both true and a placebo cry from those who never had to find a job that paid the bills.
That people were foolish and spent more than they really should have on their income is pointless when the "other jobs" out there do not pay the bills, or due to their age they are not hired.
To simply say their are other jobs out there, is a Never Land reply by those who made enough that they can live off of their reserve for years. Most people cannot do that.

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So you guys are telling me that if I went to Monster.com or a thousand other job sites out there that there will be zero job postings, in or out of my field. And that absolutely zero percent of those jobs will pay at a higher rate than what I currently have? Interesting.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

The demand curve for labour shifts to the left when companies find a cheaper source of labour overseas and when the supply and demand curves don't meet, people don't get employed - simple as that. The problem is that people still need to pay for the rent and the electric and the gas and whatnot, so it's not like as a group they can shift the supply curve so easily.

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So what do you do? Outlaw outsourcing of jobs? Then are you willing to pay $80-$100 for a pair of jeans?

Or do you take the personal responsibility for your own situation, and get the education you need to get a job that is not so easily outsourced? And if you don't currently have the education, do you also take the responsibility to work menial jobs (fast food and what-not) to make it through? Or do you just protest?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

No-one is arguing that all employees should be paid the same; just that the vast differences that can be seen are unjustifiable.

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How do you define what the gap should be? Who is in control of maintaining that gap? What enforcement mechanism(s) do they have?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Really? We've seen that non-executive directors sit on each others salary committees and award each other nice big pay rises year on year, while giving those further down the food chain small rises if they're lucky. These are not wage awards related to performance or productivity.

Still, the argument goes that the "free market" ensures the survival of the fittest and the profits they generate filter down to benefit all, but everything points to that being an empty promise.

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Ah the old falicy that we live in a free market. Many of those companies that pay their boards too high actually went bankrupt and failed back in '08. But our Federal government, in it's infinite wisdom, decided to step in and bail them out. Thus removing any consequences that would have been a lesson to other companies/boards. At this point, why wouldn't boards just keep on voting themselves raise after raise? I mean come on, there's no downside to it, if we go bankrupt we'll just get a bailout.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

BBC News - Wage inequality 'getting worse' in leading economies


India's income inequality has doubled in 20 years - report - AlertNet


Wage Inequality Is a Global Challenge


15 Facts About U.S. Income Inequality That Everyone Should Know (CHARTS)

The "free market" simply does not do what its' proponents say it does.

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Again, lots and lots of links on why this is so bad, and getting worse, oh my! But strangely no discussion of any solutions. Hmmmm.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Again, lots and lots of links on why this is so bad, and getting worse, oh my! But strangely no discussion of any solutions. Hmmmm.

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There is no solution required where there is no problem, hence the lack of solutions to a problem that does not actually exist.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Again, lots and lots of links on why this is so bad, and getting worse, oh my! But strangely no discussion of any solutions. Hmmmm.

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Nice attempt at diversion but earlier in this thread...

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Hey thoses actually sound like reasonable measues that might actually have an effect over the long term.

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There is discussion of solutions but you appear to have a rather selective memory :p

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

There is no solution required where there is no problem, hence the lack of solutions to a problem that does not actually exist.

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Inequality (see thread for evidence it exists and the effects it has) in society as a whole is not a problem?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Inequality (see thread for evidence it exists and the effects it has) in society as a whole is not a problem?

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Yes, that is correct.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

There is no solution required where there is no problem, hence the lack of solutions to a problem that does not actually exist.

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. . . for you.

There are many many more people in this planet and we (I included- not you)) do have a big problem that is being manifested more and more every day and therefore we (many, many of us, not you) are looking for solutions that will surely manifest themselves as we work together to figure them out.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Nice attempt at diversion but earlier in this thread...

There is discussion of solutions but you appear to have a rather selective memory :p

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No diversion on my part, nor selective memory. I was pointing out that you posted one thought about a solution, but now you're just back to your old tricks of putting up links to the problem instead of further fleshing out the solutions.

I know I'm a bore to most of you. But to me b!tching about the problem without discussion of possible solutions and the possible consequences of said solutions is rather boring to me, and really accomplishes nothing.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

. . . for you.

There are many many more people in this planet and we (I included- not you)) do have a big problem that is being manifested more and more every day and therefore we (many, many of us, not you) are looking for solutions that will surely manifest themselves as we work together to figure them out.

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So what is your proposed solution then? Protest to what end?

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

. . . for you.

There are many many more people in this planet and we (I included- not you)) do have a big problem that is being manifested more and more every day and therefore we (many, many of us, not you) are looking for solutions that will surely manifest themselves as we work together to figure them out.

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race, the only "solution" to the so called "problem(s)" is for people to knuckle down and get things done for themselves. The only "problem" is the limitations that people put on themselves, the rest are either just lazy or stupid or both.