Re: Future Rally Media Coverage
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Originally Posted by AndyRAC
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Originally Posted by RS
Another thing to improve on for future live coverage; there was no footage of Bouffier's spin, Latvala's puncture or Kubica's off - all major events which happened on the live stage and all missed.
I thought the coverage was pretty good. However, to miss 3 major incidents was slightly odd. Surely all the top runners have an in car camera? They also need to let us hear the pace-notes, and not to talk over them.
I have seen only first live coverage and I must say I was quite disappointed. OK, they have lot of cameras at the start and finish. They have some onboard cameras and helicopter, which was not so close to the road. But everything looks like mixture of some random shots without any interest about what is happening on the stage. No splits, no interest about the stage, not so many shots of actual leader, almost no interview at the finish. At Latvala's puncture they arrived at its very end (so almost 2 mins later) etc.
Re: Future Rally Media Coverage
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Originally Posted by PLuto
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Originally Posted by AndyRAC
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Originally Posted by RS
Another thing to improve on for future live coverage; there was no footage of Bouffier's spin, Latvala's puncture or Kubica's off - all major events which happened on the live stage and all missed.
I thought the coverage was pretty good. However, to miss 3 major incidents was slightly odd. Surely all the top runners have an in car camera? They also need to let us hear the pace-notes, and not to talk over them.
I have seen only first live coverage and I must say I was quite disappointed. OK, they have lot of cameras at the start and finish. They have some onboard cameras and helicopter, which was not so close to the road. But everything looks like mixture of some random shots without any interest about what is happening on the stage. No splits, no interest about the stage, not so many shots of actual leader, almost no interview at the finish. At Latvala's puncture they arrived at its very end (so almost 2 mins later) etc.
You saw the "good" stage Pluto, wait till you see SS15 then you will be really disappointed!
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Great having live stages but last night's was indeed disappointing. When Eurosport did it results were fantastic, ok it was dry on the Turini stage but we saw the road ahead despite darkness. This year we saw very little. Poor cameras, poor positioning or whatever it was not good. This is what I saw most of the time:
http://i.imgur.com/dUQu1uEl.jpg
And Eurosport 2011:
http://i.imgur.com/1rZpfjml.png
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Originally Posted by noel157
Great having live stages but last night's was indeed disappointing. When Eurosport did it results were fantastic, ok it was dry on the Turini stage but we saw the road ahead despite darkness
'Turini night' was a real treat 'back in the day', probably my favourite tv event of the year. Hopefully Red Bull can learn and do better next year.
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Originally Posted by noel157
This is what I saw most of the time:
I think this was because drivers were driving without all lights on, because of the fog at first part of the stage. The rain also paid its role of visibility I guess.
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Originally Posted by stefanvv
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Originally Posted by noel157
This is what I saw most of the time:
I think this was because drivers were driving without all lights on, because of the fog at first part of the stage. The rain also paid its role of visibility I guess.
The fog I can understand but the above picture was not in the fog. And of course the rain was a factor but not to such an extent as it rendered pictures totally useless. I'm not not the only person with this opinion. Perhaps the picture wasn't a good example but it does show what most of us thought about the broadcast.
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Does anyone here who has been annoyed by putting previous days review in highlight coverage?
I was really upset when BTsport puts about 8 minutes review in the last day's highlight.
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Originally Posted by whosyo
I was really upset when BTsport puts about 8 minutes review in the last day's highlight.
BT Sport wouldn't have done anything. The highlights were produced by Red Bull/'WRC Promoter'. But I agree, it was a bit unnecessary if you'd seen the previous highlights show.
Personally I didn't think the live shows were too bad. Not as good as Eurosport on a good day, but not as terrible as some are making out. The onboards didn't suffer much picture break up, which given the weather conditions was quite impressive, I thought. I still can't understand why the 'over the shoulder' old camera angle has been completely forsaken for the right hand corner dashboard position these days though.
Personally I was more disappointed with the nightly highlights. Too much fluff and not enough coverage of each stage. I think the highlights were better in the early ISC days.
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Originally Posted by the sniper
I still can't understand why the 'over the shoulder' old camera angle has been completely forsaken for the right hand corner dashboard position these days though.
It's really a simple explanation. Modern WRCs are cramped from the inside and as the helmet bags are situated behind the seats, they have to put the helmets through the main X-bars behind the seats. Therefore it's impossible to have any camera setups there, as the helmets must fit through the seats and the X - camera would block the access.
In C4 WRC, there was a horizontal bar behind the helmet bags, but it was useless angle because it was so far back that the windscreen was 15% of the picture. Focus WRC had slightly tilted vertical bar behind the bags which offered slightly better view than in C4, althought not perfect. In Japan, Ireland and Wales in 2007 a special inboard angle was used in Focus, where camera was right behind codriver's head. It was pretty ok, except in some cars codriver's helmet was too much in the view.
Best "between seats" angle was the one used in the Fiestas equipped with Recaro's "hard" seats. There the camera was mounted to driver seat's "ear". It was really nice. The mounting was only used with drivers who used the hard seats, as camera was not possible to attach to soft seat. In DS3, I don't remember seeing any good between seats angle, the ones used e.g. in Sweden 2011 were really bad.
I don't mind the right-A pillar camera but it could be bit more wideangle to give more sense of speed. Also the adaptation to different lightning conditions should be improved. What I really miss are the external wideangle roof cameras. Given that the lens was clear, I really liked the angle a lot!
Examples of the angles:
2006-2010, usual Focus inboard angle (with a nice external A-pillar angle): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkHeZAMrpCY
2007 "special" Focus angle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTTg30WVV1U#t=299
Pre-2011, C4 bad inboard angle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... aE--Q#t=53
2011, DS3 inboard angle, not good imho: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 8QQu-g#t=7
2011 best between the seats angle + very nice wideangle roof camera: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2LIE0onlKk
For example in some Fabia S2000s and Mini RRCs it's possible to get nice between seats angle, because the helmet bags are situated in the codriver footwell and not behind seats.
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Thanks for the info Juha Koo, I totally forgot about them putting their helmets behind them. Was there anything specific that killed off the roof top cameras or did they just disappear with North One Sport? Like yourself, I miss those too.
