In motorsport?Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
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In motorsport?Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Like what?
And also in Spain, some days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
A lot of people are in pain for many years now...
I like it !!!
It would be nice if Citroen Loeb stay one more year and it is quite likely despite the propaganda kitties mewing all the time...
Some people seem to prefer slow motion rallying like in the 80s where every tourist driver could win... it is nice everything evolves and people that stay behind are in agony feeding their pain only with hate towards succefull people.
Continue crying, soon enough your tears will be enough to bathe in them.
It would be really nice if Citroen and Loeb stay one more year. Because frankly this year I'm bored to see them winning all the time without any "real" competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
You believe that VW will be ready to win from the start in their first full season ?? has something like this happened before ??Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I of course wish they can have a car ready to win... but i doubt it... maybe they can win events but the championship i think is hard... we are talking about a team with a huge amount of money but their rally experice is ZERO. If they manage it it will be amazing.
And then all the little doggys with flappy ears will start say Loeb is a coward becasue he doesn't stay until VW are competitive enough...
typical masters of nothingness.
I dont agree. Its nothing new when a "new" manu starts winning the first season. And VW is not exactly even new in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
For sure yes, as mentioned they have a lot of money, but that is just whatīs needed to make sucess. Maybe they donīt win the whole championship but very well single events. And that is enough for us freaks to be happy. (My personal opinion is that they can be champions the first year, with or without Citroen)
Lets wait and see...
Well, it is not like inventing the Quattro technology, but did happen before - AUDI in '82.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Is their car ready to win? I don't know, probably no one know just now, but tests are promising in car's strength, which is what Ford were vulnerable this year. How would be with the speed? That is the question which will be answered next year.
VW Rally experience? Not recently, but there is some in the past with Golf. But, with Carlos Sainz helping them build their car and recruiting Ogier one year earlier, I guess they will be just fine with this.
It may be a coincidence, but VW wrc entry trajectory is very similar to the one lived by Citroen.
Both based their teams on rally-raid dominant structures. Both acclimatize their teams to wrc using low level cars (Cit used saxos). Both spent over one year testing their wrc cars (Citroen have done it in a experimental category on french champioship).
Main difference: Citroen first wrc season (2000) wasn't a complete attempt. They entered only some selected events using B level drivers (Bugalski, Radstrom, Puras and newcommer...Loeb). Results were promissing but only a few podiums achieved.
Serious results only came in third year, with more experienced Loeb and world champions McRae and Sainz joining the team, when Citroen dominate the series becoming WRC manu champ and Loeb almost win his first driver title.
Considering that 2013 VW wrc entry will be a full scale participation (with top levels drivers) and competition will came from only one or two manus (not 5 or 6 like in the early's 2000), we can expect that VW results curve will raise much faster...
Knowing some of the names that VW have recruited from existing teams they have aquired quite an impressive talent pool, this includes rally managers and co-ordinators, engineers, technicians, and truckies. Sure this is no guarantee of success.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
An interesting fact was stated in Finland after VW :s test, they used the same road as Ctroen last year but weren`t yet able to get as fast a time as with Citroen, of course the conditions can have a big input, but if not at same speed as Citroen last year than there`s still some way to go as Citroen probably is getting faster all the time as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
Also the engineers at VW are hoping for more feedback from the nr.1 driver at VW...