Another example of the undue confidence you have in the private sector, if I may say so.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
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Another example of the undue confidence you have in the private sector, if I may say so.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
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Originally Posted by ioan
That is because "Joe" decided to be inconsequential and replaceable. There are many others who worked hard and became valuable.
Those that succeed in life and business don't do things half=assed, expecting it to be handed to them then protest when things go bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
So at no time has a boss ever been at fault in such a situation, and sacked someone they shouldn't have?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
You have an extremely narrow definition of what constitutes success. It seems solely to involve monetary income and, somehow, the fact that a successful person never protests.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
That particular cry is both true and a placebo cry from those who never had to find a job that paid the bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
That people were foolish and spent more than they really should have on their income is pointless when the "other jobs" out there do not pay the bills, or due to their age they are not hired.
To simply say their are other jobs out there, is a Never Land reply by those who made enough that they can live off of their reserve for years. Most people cannot do that.
All government money comes from the private sector.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
How the U.S. government has handled the money they took from private civilians, should have no one having confidence in their ability to replace the private sector as the ones who drive the economy.
The long over-due attention being paid to Washington employees cronyism says all that needs to be said for Obama and his socialist dictates he wants to force on us.
Any comment is welcome on anything I post.Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
I don't disagree with everyone paying their fair share. But it seems the majority of people think the fair share for the wealthy should continue to be higher and higher. This I don't agree with at all. Corporate tax in the US is one of the highest in the world, and raising it more will hurt the average person through job losses and increased prices. As it stands now IMO there are far too many people getting far too many tax breaks, and the Corporations take advantage of them no more than the next person. Currently the US tax system is based on a sliding scale and in most cases the more you make the higher the percentage you pay. But there are a great number of people paying zero tax, or getting assitance through the tax system. This doesn't bother me when they are people actually in need, especially in times like this that the economy and other factors have found honest hard working people struggling to pay their bills and get by. But far too often I've seen with my own eyes people getting such assistance while living a lifestyle as good as those working hard for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
I posted an example above of people getting housing assistance while living in a 1.2 million dollar home. Should you or I be paying more in taxes to help such people? For about two years we had people living in the house next to us and getting most of their rent paid by housing assitance. My wife and I put some $30,000 down on a home, both worked to pay our bills and get ahead, the people in the next house lived there for almost nothing... I might add while they cheated the system and worked under the table jobs to get that assistance.
There are also IMO far too many government benefits that take only income into account. A person can often have great assets yet get assistance. In my reality a persons total worth should be taken into consideration, not income alone. A few years back both myself and wife made some job changes, and when doing so essentially both took a good part of the summer off work. Had a chosen to do so, I could have easily applied for benefits and received them due to "being out of work", even though in reality it was a matter of choice and there was no financial concern.
I could go on for pages about government waste and abuse, as well as the many, many flaws in the tax system in this country.
But then again, the link and clips I posted recently showed the huge amounts of money some of those large companies gave to charities of their choice. Just the listed companies had over a billion dollars in contributions. And some of those companies gave a decent percentage of their profits as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
A business of any type exists to make profit, not to help others get ahead. Though some refuse to see it any business with employees is essentially exploiting the potential of those employees for profit. I know full well the company I work for makes a profit from my efforts. But having been in business myself for many years, I also know what they went through and what they risk to do so. So as long as they treat me fairly I will continue to contract to them.
Just another tidbit in the Occupy movement.
Occupy protests move to foreclosed homes - Yahoo! News
Wrong in so many ways I can't even count them. I'm not saying this is indicative of the Occupy protesters as a whole, but it reflects on the lack of organization of the entire movement.
And also a serious question for everyone participating in this thread. As many seemed to be concerned with the widening gap between the rich and poor, I'd like to know how many people here have actually ever started a legal business of any kind at all.
I have, legal and very successful. I'm stuffed if my janitor is going to earn the same or similar to what I do, after I took the risk of loans and bonding the house to get going and I have to worry about having to pay him every month. No f#cking way is that going to ever happen!Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
As for Occupy, a monkey with a banana stuck up his ar$e would make more sense than that lot :down:
No-one is arguing that all employees should be paid the same; just that the vast differences that can be seen are unjustifiable.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Really? We've seen that non-executive directors sit on each others salary committees and award each other nice big pay rises year on year, while giving those further down the food chain small rises if they're lucky. These are not wage awards related to performance or productivity.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Still, the argument goes that the "free market" ensures the survival of the fittest and the profits they generate filter down to benefit all, but everything points to that being an empty promise.
BBC News - Wage inequality 'getting worse' in leading economiesQuote:
"This study dispels the assumptions that the benefits of economic growth will automatically trickle down to the disadvantaged and that great inequality fosters social mobility. Without a comprehensive strategy for inclusive growth, inequality will continue to rise."
India's income inequality has doubled in 20 years - report - AlertNetQuote:
Inequality in earnings has doubled in India over the last two decades, making it one of the worst performers in terms of salary disparities from all the emerging economies.
Wage Inequality Is a Global ChallengeQuote:
Globalization yields unbalanced outcomes that manifest themselves in wage inequality and job vulnerability. Distribution of the benefits of globalization is anything but fair.
15 Facts About U.S. Income Inequality That Everyone Should Know (CHARTS)Quote:
What's certain is that the rich have emerged from the rubble of the last 30 years as indisputable winners. Since 1980, middle-class wages have largely stagnated and lower-class wages have declined, while the upper echelons of American society have seen a windfall.
The "free market" simply does not do what its' proponents say it does.
Bono, who's kinda successful protests all the time against something (or anything?). A bunch of millionaires called Metallica truly enjoys writing songs about how desperate it is living in this world. Then there's Wyclef Jean and many more.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell