What Happens Next?

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Originally Posted by pvtjoker

Thats it and RM made up ALL of those comments too. Right?

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RM tells them his story and gets their comments, none of them seemed to have a clue about anything, because it isn't true.

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Originally Posted by ChaimWitz

Hey, where is Sanguin and Mike15? It is very strange that they aren't here accusing Robin Miller of lying? I wonder why? On second thought, they could be locked in the denial chamber being hosted by Paper over on the ****wagon site.

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If this goes through 'paper' may be placed on suicide watch.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

RM tells them his story and gets their comments, none of them seemed to have a clue about anything, because it isn't true.

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Maybe they should learn to say "no comment" or just plain refuse to talk to him since, according to you, he makes up comments/stories in EVERY article he authors.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

RM tells them his story and gets their comments, none of them seemed to have a clue about anything, because it isn't true.

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Yeah, right. Dude, you should check in with Britney.

Why hasn't Robin Miller been sued for every penny he owns? And why is Curt Cavin suggesting things are afoot in his Indystar blog if it isn't true?

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Originally Posted by ChaimWitz

Please re-read my post, I didn't write that I care more about the sport than you do unless you are suggesting you agree with exactly what I wrote: "life will go on for most of us who actually care more about the sport than we do about getting even with someone's grandson in Indiana."

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Who wanted to get even with TG ?

I have said it before and I will say it again : I do not believe this is the solution to OW's problems. By concentrating so much on CC's issues, people have failed to see all that the IRL is struggling with. You think it is better or that it will be better over there, but it is not. And I do not think that it will get better.

It became personal to some of you. Even among yourselves. But it was not so for me.

All this means is that 11 CC tracks will die. In 2 years, another 8 IRL tracks will die. In the end, we will have 8 ovals and 8 road races, more or less. In other words : semi-CART 94, but with no fans.

You call that a solution ?

Oh, c'mon, Jacques. Of those 11 CC tracks they would lose, how many are track rentals, co-promotes or self-promotes and how many of them make money?

And it's been pointed out elsewhere that Milwaukee, Detroit, The Glen, Homestead, Mid-Ohio, St. Pete, etc., are FORMER sites of CART and/or CC races, so it could be said that those are coming back.

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Originally Posted by indycool

Oh, c'mon, Jacques. Of those 11 CC tracks they would lose, how many are track rentals, co-promotes or self-promotes and how many of them make money?

And it's been pointed out elsewhere that Milwaukee, Detroit, The Glen, Homestead, Mid-Ohio, St. Pete, etc., are FORMER sites of CART and/or CC races, so it could be said that those are coming back.

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I think it is like splitting a baby in two in order to give a half to each of the parents.

If no one watched CC or IRL race at Milwaukee, why would they watch them together ? Same thing applies to St. Pete, WG or Homestead.

I'll repeat myself : it was never personal for me. I don't "hate" TG. I just believe that a lot of you are going to be terribly disappointed in the next 2-3 years. But, if you want to merge, go ahead and merge. It didn't help you when Ganassi, Penske, Toyota, Honda et al moved over years ago... what makes you think it will be different this time ?

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Originally Posted by Jacques

If no one watched CC or IRL race at Milwaukee, why would they watch them together ? Same thing applies to St. Pete, WG or Homestead.

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Hmm let's see - no confusion as to who races in which series, no wondering why the person who won the Indy 500 isn't at Milwaukee. No wondering what happened to so and so who raced for that team that doesn't seem to exist any more.

Long story short. No general punter confusion. People can watch it without having to care about some ridiculous political fight between series. The sum is greater than the parts.

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Originally Posted by Andrewmcm

Hmm let's see - no confusion as to who races in which series, no wondering why the person who won the Indy 500 isn't at Milwaukee. No wondering what happened to so and so who raced for that team that doesn't seem to exist any more.

Long story short. No general punter confusion. People can watch it without having to care about some ridiculous political fight between series. The sum is greater than the parts.

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How many people care about the split when they don't even know about OW ?
How many IRL fans watch a CC race or vice versa ?

Do you actually think that people don't watch LB because the AGR driver who won St. Pete is not racing there ? Do you think people would watch Cleveland knowing that the Indy500 winner is going to be there ? If that were the case, why don't they watch Sonoma or WG since the Indy500 winner IS going to be there ? Is it because Bourdais is not racing at Sonoma ? Who know who Bourdais is, much less what series he races on ?
Sorry, I don't buy that.